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'q��; PITKTN COUNTY � BOARD OF CQUNTY C0�&fI5SI0NERS 3 AGENDA f August 8, 1977 i ; i 10:00 a.m. North Star Ranch - Subdivision Exemption - Site inspection � 11:00 a.m. g,�cecutive Session . � �` � . 12:00 noon JOINT CI'CY/COUNCY MEETING [lunch) � o Stevens Little Cloud o Wagner Park Trade - staff comment o Land Treatment - John Musick � . o Mike Norton - Chamber of Co�mnerce a o Community Facilities - Hospital Task Force Report �, o A-95 Statewide Multipurpose Senior Center Project 1:45 p.m. Liquor License - Special Events Permit - County Fair � 2:00 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING - Building Code Amendments ' 2:30 p.m. Snowmass Incorporation - Remarks by Bill Martin _ 3:00 p.m. Planning Office Matters o Commissioners accept NACO award � o Metcalf Subdivision, cont. o Subdivision Exemptions: ' - North Star Ranch/Nature Conservancy - Perry Harvey duplex o Vagneur appraisal - request £or funding o Holy Cross/Rio Grande easement amendment : o Resolution accepting 1041 funds o Set Public Hearings: - Land Use Code Amendments 9/12/77 �38-p.m. oZ�30 - County Riding Ring 9/12/77 3�6 p.m. 1:30 - Location of Repeater 9/12/77 3=S�p•m. a:00 4:30 p.m. County Attorney Matters o Resolution approving making of EDA application o Resolution establishing county office hours o Resolution establishing elected officials' salaries - - — , , Q- . � 5:15 p.m. County Einance Resolutions: � t " ' o Appropriation of Anti-recession funds � ' ' un s ' � o Appropriat�on of funds for basement remodeling excess � o Appropriation of additional funds for legal services � i 5:30 p.m. Midland Park Housing Project - Funding, ContraCt $ Alternate Development � � When time allows: A-95 Memorial Hospital, Craig � City Soard of Variance comment Mid-Continent Progress report - Bob Nelson � � � � � < il ' `r.. ,�•-j:wsyy^;�'.':: i { ---_ __ _ -_ --_ . _ _ ___ _ _ _ _ - --- -- _---- ------ ;,.. ____ - ---- ----- ---- — ------- —-— --- -- - ---- r '�,� :���. PITKIN COUNTY „t,�,. 1.�% BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS f S Reg,ular Meeting August 8, 1977 � PRESENT: Chairman Michael Kinsley, Robert Child, Joseph E. Edwards, Jr: r County Kinsley moved to approve a special events liquor license to sell 3.2 beer for the County � � 7 Fair r Liquor Fair on August 20 and 21st. Child seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. } Licer.se --------- r Public The Commissioners convened a public hearing on proposed changes to the Building Code � Hearing: ? Building involving tree removal, public right-of-way requirements, fireplace codes and excavation i Code Changes permits. The tree removal ordinance would require a pesmit before removing any tree � t with a trunk diameter of six inches measured 4'Z feet above grade. The right-of-way � requirement states that no building or excavation permits shall be issued for the con- r 1; struction of any improvements or establishment of any use on any parcel unless said � � parcel shall abut or have direct access to a public space, yard or road. The fireplace � � regulations limit the number of fireplaces allowed and require heat efficiency. The � excavatiun permit regulation states that no excavation permit shall be iesued if the � work is to be done in prepara[ion of the construction of improvements or establishment � of a use which is not in conformance with all land use regulations of Pitkin County. � Pete DeMuth objected to the fireplace code, stating that homes already having fireplaces � should have to abide by the same regulations as owners of newly-built units. He felt � the regulations should apply to everyone or not be adopted at all. Edwards pointed out � the difficulties of enforcement for already constructed fireplaces, and felt it is worthwhile to correct future units. Jon Mulford felt the language in the public right- i � of-way requirement was much too broad. Edwards said this was a provision contained in the old zoning code that was accidently omitted from the revised land use regulations. He agreed that the wording may be overbroad. Mulford felt requir3ng proof of access " is a legitimate concern but the proposed wording is too restrictive. Kinsley asked about enforcement of the tree removal ordinance. Fred Crowley, Building Inspector, felt it would require a lot of work to enforce the ordinance and that it is only needed II � 1 in certain circumstances. Edwards felt this kind of regulation is needed in the City, � but there is less of a problem with tree removal in the County. Child considered the ; � regulation an urban solution to a rural problem. Edwards suggested limiting the tree removal ordinance to dangerous natural hazard areas such as floodways, avalanche areas and riparian zones; the areas could coincide with [he 1041 maps. Karen Smith stated � that the Land Use Code has a tree removal provision but it applies only to new development I applications. Rinsley suggested that aspen trees could be exempted since they are such a fast growing tree. Dwight Maurin agreed with Mulford on the restrictiveness of i Commiasioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 1 ') � !i ji b1.: at ; the right-oE-way requirements. Jay Halliday, of the Crystal River Valley, felt that the tree removal ordinance and the right-of-way requirement would be a hardship for : people living in a rural setting. He added that requiring access to a public road would mean too many entrances onto Highway 133 and a higher risk of accidents. Maurin stated that the access requirement would involve numerous hridges over the Crystal River to reach the highway. Edwards agreed that the language in the right-of-way section is too broad and should possibly be lir¢i.ted the way Land Use Code subdivision requirements are. Child Eelt that the tree removal ordinance was aimed at only a few o£fenders, and that another solution could be found for these problem cases. He requested that Stuller look at other countys' requirements for an alternate solution. Edwards added that the tree regulations should be limited to slopes over a certain percentage only. Edwards stated he would like standards on heat efficiency particu- � larized by the County Engineer, as mentioned in the regulations. StulZer asked if � this requirement should be dropped until specifications have been made. Crowley re- plied that the regulation could still be effective for blatant energy-wasting designs. � The public hear3ng was closed. i 'j Kinsley moved to table adoption of the tree removal ordinance and the right-of-way I ' requirement pending revision of the language as discussed, and to adopt the fireplace i code and excavation permit regalations. Edwards seconded the motion and it passed 3 unanimously. Stuller will present a resolution at the next meeting. R � ---------- i Incorporation Dave Kahn and Bill Martin were present to discuss incorporation of Snowmass Village. of Snowmass Village Kahn reported that residents of Snowmass Village filed a petition in District Court last week to incorporate the developed portion of Snowmass, of which Snowmass Corp. ! Sand Amcord are the major landowners. He stated Chat Snowmass Corporation and Amcord i � were initially against the pxoposal since it was feared that incorporation would �� affect the general submission apprnved by the Commissioners in 1976. Upon incorpora- tion land use regulations and zoning lapse, since these are under the authority of Ithe municipality. Kahn showed a map o£ the proposed boundaries; he noted it was � difficult to set the boundaries since the parcel must be contiguous and they tried � to avoid including lands affected by the general submission. In one area two parcels I � are linked by a ten foot wide strip of land. A study was done by THK Associates � to determine the feasibility of forming a Master Association, instead of incorporating, i fbut this proved unworkable. Kahn stated that all areas with a coimuitment in the � general submission are still in the County, and excluded from the boundaries o£ the i F municipality. One o£ the major concerns of Snowmass Corporation and Amcord is in- ! fvoluntary annexation of parcels of their land; Kahn felt this could be avo3ded for h at least three years. Kahn showed the Commissioners a letter from Snowmass Corporation � Co�i.ssioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 2 i � _ ___ ---_- ----- __-------._ ____- _____ __----- - -- -_..._. _--- ----- - ! -- - -- ----------------- - -- --_- - -- h �,,, ��::; .�,;,:, and Amcord sent to all reg3stered voters in Snowmass Village explaining their �''�,r :���",. position on the incorporation. The Ietter mentions their initial concern and states that, since the boundaries will preserve the general submission, Snowmass Corporation } and Amcord will welcome the decision of the residents. (See attached map of boun- :; daries.) N Holy Cross Karen Smith, of the Planning Office, reported on the HoZy Cross easement aZong the Rio Grande c • Easement Rio Grande right-of-way granted by the Commissioners at their July llth meeting. i` The approval was conditioned on subsequent'approval of the line through the 1041 � utility extension review procedure. It has since been determined that 1041 approval _ J is not applicable. The easement was presented to the Planning and Zoning Commission � and was approved subject to nine conditions. Ochs reported that Pat Dobie, of Aoly ; � Cross, stated that he would accept the condit3ons imposed by the P & Z but was not � u' sure if the Iine could be constructed this year and meet all the requirements. Smith reported that their major problem is the repaving requirement, which must be � completed this fall; they are unsure if they can get a contractor. Ochs stated � that if they can get a contractor Holy Cross will construct the line this fall; if � a not the will rea 1 for a �' Y pp y pproval next year. Edwards felt there should be a B # cZarification of the fourth condition, which requires that arrangements be made for � an alternate route for pedestrians, bicyclists, and horseback riders during construc- �. ; tion. He stated that the requirement should read that this alternate arrangement ` E must be within the existing Rio Grande right-of-way, that temporary pavement will � not be required however hard-pack altemate dirt paths must be installed without disturbing trees, and that the County Manager`s approval be required on any alter- nate route. It was decided that the requirement for County Manager's approval could be tied in with the seventh condition. Ochs felt the fiard-pactc requirement may be unreasonable. Kinsley suggested that the alternate trail should be hard-packed except for the immediate area where work is being done. Smith stated that only 1000' �. of the bike path will be dishurbed, and it is estimated that construction will take 21 days. Edwards asked about the consequences if the easement were not approved. Smith replied that the alternate routes are less desirable, and would require over- head lines. Ochs reported that the City intends to build a substation for the line on the Rio Grande property, so they would like to use this easement. He suggested if the Commissioners are seriously considering not approving the easement, they I first discuss the matter with the City Council. I Kinsley moved to add to the Co�issioners initial approval the following require- ( ments: 1, that construction on the portion of Che alignment between the Slaughter- � I Commissioners Meeting ' August 8, 1977 - 3 I � , � zs:.,..� __ .. house Brfdge and Trueman property not begin until after Labor Day, 2. that all construction on the Rio Grande right-of-way be completed this fall, restoring the area to its current condition so that the paeh will be ready to use as soon as snow meZts this spring, 3. that no more than a total of 1000 feet of bike path be re- moved or damaged and that such path disription commence no sooner thaa Labor Day and be restored within 21 days of initial disruption, 4. that arrangements be made within the Rio Grande right-of-way for a hard-pack dirt alternate.route for pedestrian bicyclists and horseback riders during construction without disturbing trees tn the area, 4. that the trench be backfilled each night when working close to the path and that all safety precautions be observed in the operation n£ equipment and when blasting, 6. that the area be reseeded and culverts replaced upon completion of trenching, preferably before winter and no later than the first possible opportunity in the spring, 7. that all restoration work and temporary realignment work be i � approved and acceptable to the County Engineer, 8. that there be na dumping of fiZl i ; in the river, and 9. that the approval is also subject to the posting of a suitable i ! bond which includes a penalty for non-completion regarding repaving and revegetation i � and on regular and periodic construction and revegetation supervision by the County, I ' Kinsley added that the previous condition re uir3n 1041 a Q g pproval is dropped. Child seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. ! -------- ! 1041 Karen Smith presented a resolution indicating to the State Department of Local � Funding Resolution Affairs the County's desire to continue a 1041 program. Receipt of this resolution � by the Division of Planning releases the first disbursement of funds under the 1 � program. The Planning Office will prepare a work program detailing use of funds i irelating to ma[ters of state and local interest. In the past, Pitkin County has � received supplemental planning funds through this prog;am for such projects as � Roaring Fork floodplain mapping, minimum streamflow and other water resource mapping, � etc. Pitkin County's chances af receiving additional funds this year are not great, I since they received money the two past years. Kinsley moved that the Chairman be authorized to sign the 1041 funding resolution. Child seconded and the motion passed unanimously. Mid-Cont3nent Bob Nelson, County Sanitarian, presented a Mid-Continent progress report. He noted Progress � Report that when special review approval was passed, Mid-Continent was given 90 days to come up with plans for erosion control, water quality monitoring and thermal dryer i } engineering plans. Nelson felt they have progressed well on these matters, and fasked to schedule a meeting before the Commissioners wiih Mid-Continen[ tepresenta- � � Coamiisaioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 4 3 i � � i -- -- - - -- - -- - �----- ------- _ ------ _ _--- --------- -- - - -- - - - -- -- - - - ;�7. tives. Their representatives cannot be present for the August 22nd meeting, so �,i'�' s�:, the meeting will be held on September 12th. �•"' Nelson reported that two forks of Dutch Creek flooded in the recent heavy rains I and formed a debris cone into the Crystal River. He noted that the Crystal River will be muddy for quite a while, due mainly to Coal Creek. Jeff Davis will look at the debris problem to see if the County can help with the clean up. NACO Dwight Shellman presented' the Commissioners caith an achievement award from the Land Use Code Award National Association of County Officials for [he Pitkin County Land Use Code. This recognizes the contribution of Pitkin County in the cause of strong, efficient, I modern county government. Shellman congratulated the Commissioners and Planning � Office on this award. I Harvey Karen Smith presented a subdfvision exemption request from Perry Harvey. This is Subdivision Exemption a request to allow the two sides of the proposed duplex to be marketed to local Request � residents for long-term occupancy. The applicant w311 impose a six-month rental restriction. Such a procedure is authorized by Section 4.02.02 a.l. Smith noted that the Commissioners have established a policy.of not granting condominiumizations or duplexes based on adverse impacts on rental rates, pending completion of condo- miniumization guidelines by Brian Goodheim. The Planning Office recommends tabling the item until the guidelines have been finalized. Rick Ferrell, representing the applicant, also requested tabling the item, and said he will prepare a written statement on the matter. Kinsley felt it is beneficial to allow duplexes and condominiumization if the units can be retained for employees. Kinsley moved to table the application. Child seconded and the motion passed unanimously. Public Kinsley moved that the public hearing for the County riding ring be set for Septem- Hearings Set ber 12, 1977 at 1:30 p.m., the location of the repeater unit in September 12, 1977 at 2:00 p.m., and the Land Use Code amendments on September 12, 1977 at 2:30 p.m. I Child seconded the motion and it passed unanimous2y. � I --------- � USFS Ochs noted that the Commissioners planned to meet w3th the U.S.F.S. today but Tom Meeting � Bell was unable to attend. They will have a luncheon meeting tomorrow. ' --------- � � A-95 An A-95 on expansion of Memorial Hospital in Craig Colorado was presented. Child f moved favorable co�ent. Edwards seconded and the motion passed unanimously. i ' -------- ; i � Commissioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 5 � ( I I i Metcalf B312 Xane, of the Planning Office, discussed the Metcalf subdivision general Subdivision General submission which was tabled at the last meeting becavse all necessary referrals had • Submission not been made. Kane noted that all referrals have now been made, and each referral cooanent has been added as a conditinn for approval. The conditions imposed for approval of the general submission are that prior to preliminary plat, evidence be shown of full compliance with Section 5.09 to include individual we11 ad3udication for each 2ot, that lots be covenanted against dogs, that a plan be established for electrical service and easements as per letter from Haly Cross which asks for the � subdivider to assume responsibility for public extension as opposed to the more confusing method of having the first to build providing line extensions with payback agreements, and that two lots be offered for sale under the PMEi gufdelines to be established. Kane noted that the Planning Office still supports the idea of allowing ; a duplex rather than two separate lots, dae to greatez cost effic3ency thzough the s � use of co�on utilities and lower density in a rural area. Jim Moran, representing 1 � the applicant, reported that he spoke with Pat Dobie, of Holy Cross, about the third ( � � condition and felt that Holy Cross' major concern is with easements for overhead Ilines, and their secondarq concern is with the Metcalfs assuming responsibility for � i line extensiuns. The Metcalfs are agreeahle to the easement grid from Holy Cross, but do not know about the installation of the primary line until cost figures are iavailable. Ae reiterated that either a duplex or two separate lots are acceptable ' to the applicants. Kinsley supported the idea of a duplex. Edwards preferred two i + separate lots. Child had no strong bias either way, but would support the idea o£ two � � separate lots. Kinsley moved to approve the general submission with the first three ) � conditions mentioned, and with the condition that the housing requirements be ful- � filled with a duplex instead oE two separate lots. Kinsley added that approval of this general submission is not to he taken as supportive of [he AF-2 zoning in the Farea. The motion died for lack of a second. Child moved to approve che general j submission application for the Metcalf subdivision with all four conditions mentioned, E and with the qualification that approval does not indicate Co�issioner support of f the AF-2 zone category for the area. Edwards seconded the motion and it passed with i � opposition from Kinsley. . ' --------° < � North Star Bill Kane and Jon Mulford, re resentin The Nature Conservanc � Ranch Purchase P g y, reported on the � r by The purchase oE Timmy Smith's North Star Ranch by the City and/or County in coordination Nature Conservancy with The Nature Conservancy. The Planning Office is requesting a subdivision exemp- i `� tion for the conveyance of 174 acres £rom James Smith to The Nature Conservancy. y This is allowed under the community facilities exemption section of the Land Use i 1 � fi Commiseioners Meetin � g August 8, 1977 - 6 a. � ;� � . . � ,..�.:;:,;. _ I ; -_--' - ' _- _-_ _ ..y,�. - _, J� �'; It:',. Code. The land will be devoted to trail, river-based recreation to include ,r, � fishing, picnicking, kayak instruction and wildlife preservation uses and will be of i lasting benefit to the entire community. No utilities or additional urban facilities � � will be requested for the tract and all design guidelines of the Code will be met. i � Kane outlined some possibilities for obtaining a continuous trail from the property to town. The Sparovic subdivision has a provision for a 15' easement on the south side of the river. There is a problem with obtaining an easement at one end of � the property where the highway comes quite close to the river. Mulford requested I that the subdivision exemption not be conditioned on any trail plans. He reported � that Smith's intentions for the rest of the property he owns are unknown and undis- � closed. One parcel of 70 acres will probably be divided and he intends to build his home on one of the lots. The zoning for the parcel is AF-1. Kinsley expressed I concern that boats be allowed to float through Smith's land when the river comes out of the public land. Kane felt that Smith encouraged the idea of public usage of the parcel ta be sold and it was probably not his intention to close the river. Kinsley requested that the possibility of including the western finger of land, where the easement problem exists, in the sale be investigated. Kane reminded the � Co�issioners that the closing date for the parcel is ium�inent and the subdivision exemption is needed by that time. Smith has not authorized any exemption based on conditional easements. Dan Pike, of The Nature Conservancy, reported on financ- ing for the parcel. They presently have an option on 174 acres with an exercise date of August 15, 1977; the sale price is $5000 an acre. They have a choice of paying in three or five installments. When a payment is made Smith will release to The Nature Conservancy an undivided interest in the property. The Nature Conservancy � will then transfer this to the County. Pike reported that the land cost if $870,000. The interest will amount to $140,666 for three payments or $216,480 for five payments: $16,000 is the direct cost for legal fees, etc. $34,800 is the indirect cost to The Nature Conservancy; this is to compensate for the risk factor and to attemp[ to cover The Nature Conservancy's overhead. Pike showed the Commissioners a flow- chart of expenses which arrived at a final cumulative acreage value figure of � $1,147,360. The Commissioners discussed pay-back options for the County. Any advance of money from the County depends on grants received from the State Parks and Recreation Department. If the County used money from the general fund it would I lower the interest rates but would probably cut off any grant possibilities. There i will be no prepayment penalty for the County after January 1, 1978, according to Pike. Pike also stated that The Nature Conservancy may be willing to lower the cost chargea to the County if the County can pay back the money faster. Grant possibilitie Commissionera Meeting August 8, 1977 - 7 i ^`�-� � for the Land and Water Conservation contingency funds were discussed. Pike presented a resolution drafted by The Nature Conservancy indicating the intent of the Covnty to purchase the North Star Ranch from The Nature Conservancy and requesting that The Nature Conservancy acquire the 174.9 acres for Pitkin County. He noted that The { Nature Conservancy cannot enter into a binding agreement with Pitkin County, but this ' represents a moral co�itment. The Co�mnissioners discussed what involvement, if any, �i , � would cume from the City on this project. Kane felt it would be difficult to handle A the administrative processes for the land if it were owned jointly by the City and County; he felt it would be better if the parcel were owned by one government. Stulle noted that the State wants one entity to sponsor the grant application for the parcel; she added that there is no �oint City Council - County Commissioners resolution re- `� garding the North Star Ranch. Kane felt that some joint agreement should he developed ;I t� concerning the North Star, the Roaring Fork Park and the Aspen One property. ii sj Kinsley moved to authorize the Chairman to sign The Nature Conservancy resolution ; v regarding the intent of Pitkin County to purchase the property. Edwards seconded. i i Child amended the resolution to read 174.9 acres rather than 166 acres. The motion 't• jpassed unanimously. Stuller noted that this does not create a present lia6ility on the part of the County and is not to be cons[rued as an option to purchase the land. s � She added that the portion of the resolution that reads that The Nature Conservancy kmay ta[ce further action to recover its invesCment if the land is not purchased by the � � County and that "this may include placing the property for sale on the open market..." e � should not be construed to mean that the County will grant development permission � ' or subd3vision approval in order to expedite the resale of the property. � Edwards moved to authorize the County Attorney to draft an exemption from the re- j quirements of the subdivision regulations for the proposed acquisition by The Nature H ; Conservancy of the 174 acre tract Erom Mr. Smith in the Stillwater area, under the � public purposes exemption of the Land Use Code. � Kinsley seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. ' Edwards then moved that the Planning Office and the County Manager be instructed to � i undertake negotiations with Mr. Smith regarding obtaining access for bicycles and 3 � � pedestrians across the corner between Sparovic's land and the property to be acquired on the south side of the river and that conditions be developed Eor an easement right for non-motorized boating passage on the river in that section of the water. Kinsley seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. --------- � Vagneur Bill Kane, of the Planning Office, introduced Clay Vagneur, the executor of the Fairgrounds Appraisal Estate of Wayne Vagneur which owns the 2000 acre ranch in Woody Creek. Kane reported � that general submission application has been made for subdividing several tracts on i � Coimaiasioners Meeting Auguat 8, 1977 - 8 � '-ad ---- --- - -- ---- --- ------- --- =;, ;�: the property. One 60 acre parcel is being considered for purchase by the County for �"' :fis. .*�.,, use as fairgrounds. Vagneur showed a map of the parcel, and explained that the ' i parcel is relatively flat, and could be easily leveled for a fairground. The land � i is not irrigated and is of little grazing value. There is an easement through the f land for an old County road. Vagneur noted that the total plot is 101 acres; 60 ! i � acres is the flat portion of the land, but they would also like to sell part of the ' t hillside. He noted that $5000 per acre is the popular selling price for land in the j ' area. If smaller acreage is purchased it would raise the price. Edwards asked � about water for the parcel. Kane replied that a well would be necessary. Vagneur I said they would be agreeable to an easement for a well to Woody Creek with a pump and storage tank on top. Kane euplained that the property must be appraised before any further action is taken. Jim Mollica, an appraiser, estimated the appraisal would cost between $400.00 and $500.00. They are requesting County funds for this appraisal. Kinsley moved to authorize the expenditure of $500.00 maximum from the County Manager's budget for appraisal of the Vagneur parcel. Fdwards seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. IDA Grant Sandy Stuller presented three resolutions. The first authorizes. the filing of Application Authorized an application for a grant with the Econoroic Development Administration for the Pitkin County co�unity center project involving the old hospital. The second, authorized Business by SB 398, concems establishing business hours for county offices. It states that Hours for County all County offices must be open a minimum of eight consecutive hours each day. The Offices third, authorized by HB 1721, raises the salaries of elected officials by 15X for Elected their next term of office. Kinsley moved to approve the EDA grant resolution and Officials Salary the elected officials salaries resolution. Child seconded and the motion passed � Increase , unanimously. ( Edwards felt that it is important that all county offices remain open during the � lunch hour so the public can transact business when it is most convenient. He stated that someone should at least be available to answer the phone between noon I and one. He also felt that all county offices should keep the same hours ta avoid confusion. He suggested the hours of 9:00 to 5:00 as most convenient to the public. I '. The Commissioners discussed how this would affect offices such as the Clerk's office which must do baokkeeping and other miscellaneous work when the public is not present. • � Edwards felt personnel could arrive at work at 8:30 and leave at 5:30 in order to � perform these tasks. It was noted that this would affect people who normally take i the 5:15 downvalley bus home. Child asked if this would be binding on the Planning i . � Commissioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 9 i � I � I " I :n - Office. Edwards replied that it wouidn't, since that is a joint City-County of£ice. Kinsley moved to table the resolution, pending input from the department heads. Child seconded. Edwards amended the motion to read that a memo be sent to all offices stating that the Commissioners are proposing that all County offices be npen to public access between the haurs of 9:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m., that office duties be handled 6etween the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 5:30 p.m. and that lunch hours be staggered. This proposal is to be acted upon at the next meeting. Child seconded the amended motion and it passed unanimously. Lynch Open The County was sent a notice of public hearing before the Aspen Board of Ad3ustment Space Variance concerning an open space variance far property owned by Patrick Lynch. Kane explained Notice that this is the property be[ween the Obezmeyer warehouse and the Concept 600 building adjacent to County property, to be used for a 1700 square �oot Sears catalogue store. He added that the npen space variance is missed by ten square feet. No action was taken by the Board. Colorado- Sandy Stuller reported on the Colorado-Ute alignment thraugh the Aspen Aiver Valley Ute • Aspen Ranch discussed at the last meeting. t�e informaZ agreement was reached between the River Valley Ranch eight Aspen River Valley Ranch landowners and Colorado-Ute concerning easements foz the j A2ignment i line a year ago. It was agreed that the landowners would contribute $35,000 to the j cost of moving the existing 69 KV line plus supply easements for the new 115 KV line j at the base of the hill. However, Mr. Horax, one Iandowner, would not agree to the � relocation of the line or grant an easement, so Colorado-Ute accepted bids on the � � specifications for the original alignment, which crosses the center o4 the field. The landowners in the Ranch would prefer the alignment at the base of the hill which t jwould be less visually vulnerable. An easement arrangement was finally worked out i Iwith Horax, but by that time ColoradoUte had received bids, so they felt it was too ` late to change the alignment. There cvere no specifications on which alignment was ito be ased in the Commissioners resolution on the ColoradoUte line extension, however i � they encouraged use of the alignment near the base of the hill. Edwards instructed tStuller not to revoke the line extension permit but to tell Colorado-Ute that the � Couttty is considering relooking at the permit because they want the line to be con- � structed at the base of the hill, to remind them that a change order would be passible, and that since easements for the alternate alignmettt are now available, the County wi.11 take a hazder look at what remedies they have if the line is not constructed at the base of the hill. Commisaioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 10 i i --- _ -- - _ - _ - ,�;. .3{' Budget Ochs presented a resolution appropriating additional sums of money to be used for n��' Resolution: '�'' County the newly-created position of County Zoning Officer. This involves $14,072.00 3n I Zoning � Officer anti-recessionary funds received by Pitkin County from the Office of Revenue ( i Sharing. Child amended the resolution to read that this position was necessary because of the many zoninR violationa occurinR throughout the County and "the com- plexities of the County zoning and land use regulations". Kinsley moved to approve the resolution. Child seconded the motion. It passed with opposition from Edwards, . I who did not agree with Child's amendment. I . � Reseeding The resolution on reseeding funds was tabled because Larry Dunn, Extension Agent, Punds « was not present. Budget Jeff Davis, County Engineer, presented a'resolution appropriating $10,500 additiona Resolution: Basement monies for the remodeling of the basement of the Courthouse. He noted that the Remodeling remodeling has gone over budget because many changes have been made by Sheriff Dick ( Kienast to meet the building code and codes for jails and the scope of the entire � project has expanded. Kinsley moved to approve the resolution. Child seconded and the motion passed unanimously. Budget Sandy Stuller presented a resolution increasing the budget for county legal ser- Resolution: Legal vices. She noted that Oates, Austin, McGrath and Jordan have exceeded their budget Services by $4,173 and Vranesch and Musick by $3,771. Edwards asked about having Stuller take over the airport land acquisition being handled by Oates, Austin, McGrath and I 7ordan. Ochs replied that the County is ready to close on most of these parcels; only tract C, owned by McBride, and the Van Orden tract remain. Both of these parcels may have to be condemned. He also noted that legal service for the airport � is 90X reimbursible, which means it is less expensive than using Stuller's time. � 1 Ochs suggested that there are water attornies available that charge lower rates than � Vranesch and Musick in certain instances. Edwards stated that Vranesch and Musick have a history with County water matters and would like them to complete the present � litigation. Kinsley moved to approve the resolution allocating $30,000 from the � I General Fund surplus for the General Fund. Edwards seconded the motion and it � passed unanimously. Minutes Child moved to approve the minutes of July 25, 1977. Kinsley seconded and the motion passed unanimously. Coomissioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 11 � ;..t�>::� :. Yaw Report Larry Yaw and Ted Guy wete present from Copland, Hagman and Yaw to report on the on Midland Park Midland Park project. After the discussion at the last meeting, they have devised some different designs for the project to open the range of units to a lower income group. Yaw reported that Greer Construction did a cost estimate on the units and felt that the project could be built fot $20,000 less than the $35.00 per square foot ' figure using pitched roofs; flat roofs would save an additional $20,OD0. A contract will be signed on that basis. Yaw outlined the four methods consiaered for cost reductions: reducing the unit size by 15Y., increasing density, selling portions of the project at a profit and using County financing. Floorplans were shown for a 600 square foot one-bedroom unit, a 750 square foot two-bedroom unit and a 1050 square j foot three-bedroom unit. These units envision the bedroom as purely functional � sleeping space, and all long-term storage is eliminated. The units will use electric ; baseboard heat. Edwards felt'this would make the cost of utilities high. Yaw said � the cost would not be bad because the units have only two exposed walls. Edwards i � 3 suggested the possibility oE having an attic above the hedrooms if a pitched roof 1 design is used. Yaw said this would be possible. Yaw Chem presented different ! 4 scenarios showing unit size and cost, based on the different alternatives considered. � The first consists of 37 units, 8 one-bedroom townhouses, 4 two-bedroom townhouses, i � 15 three-bedroom toumhouses with carports and 10 three-bedroom duplexes with garages. i 1 � The square footage sizes would be 675 £or a one-bedroom, 900 for a two-bedroom, 1200 jfor a three-bedroom and 1400 for a duplex. The sales prices range from $34,303 for ; a one-bedroom to $76,584 for a duplex. The second scenario was based on selling some i duplex lots on the open market. This plan uses the same site plan as scenario one. f � The one-bedroom units would sell for $29,950, the two-bedroom units for $39,200 � � and the three-bedroom units for $57,332. The third scenario calls for the County jbuild3ng duplexes and selling them on the open market. This would lower the cost a of a one-bedroom unit to $25,825, a two-bedroom unit to $33,700 and a three-be�room unit to $50�000, however the County would be taking a risk because they would have to reach their sales price for the open-market duplexes. The fourth scenario calls � for a reduction in size of the units and the provision of fewer amenities. The 37 j units would consist of 13 one-bedroom units, 9 two-bedroom units and 15 three-bedroom units (no duplexes). The one-bedroom units would be 600 square feet, the two-bedroom units wauld be 750 square feet and the three-bedroom units would be 1050 square feet. The sales prices would be $34,090, $42,062 and $58,007 respectively. The last scenario increases the density of the project. It consists of 20 one-bedroam units, 18 two-bedroom units, and 15 three-bedroom townhouse units. The prices would be $30,904, $38,080, and $57,432 respectively. It was noted that all these figures are d . 4 ommiaeioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 12 ��j ;3 i , i � '__--_ _— __" __ J __ __ -- iif`i. �.; Midland based on using the full tap fee and parking facilities for 1.5 cars per unit. Edwards ;�^;; Park (cont.) �'� ' noted that using density to decrease the unit costs results in fewer amenities and i I wall-to-wall parking. Yaw presented his firm's suggestion for the project which ! i calls for a total of 47 units. This would reduce the size of the three-bedroom � i unit, have underground parking, and have ten one- and ten two-bedroom small units � on the south side of the project. There would be eight large one-bedroom unita, � four large two-bedroom units and three three-bedroom units on the north side of the I project. The prices would be $31,000 for a small one-bedroom, $38,000 for a small I two-bedroom, $34,900 for a large one-bedroom, $45,800 for a large two-bedroom and i $60,500 for a three-bedroom. Yaw questioned the value of building more three-bedroom � units, noting that reducing the number of three-bedroom units allows more even cost distribution. Kane felt 47 units is too high a density and noted that three one- bedroom units create a different impact than a three-bedroom townhouse. He re- i � commended a lower number of units and slightly higher cost. None of the Commis- sioners liked the idea of selling units or lots on the open market due to the risk involved and because they did not feel that the County should act as a developer in a pilot project. Edwards felt the amount of parking space was unreasonable, and suggested a deed restriction against more than one car per unit. He noted that the City bus stop is near the property. Yaw noted that lessening the number of three- bedroom units changes the family orientation of the project. Kane stated that it would also change the perameters of qualifications for buying units. Chuck Vidal reported that' the average size of a unit in town is 1050 square feet, with � two bedrooms and two baths. He noted that this may not be indicative of permanent housing, since that figure includes quite a few vacation units. He then presented a chart indicating gross salary, the amount of salary spent on housing adjusted for Aspen, the unit price affordable based on 7 3/4% interest and l0Y interest and the size of the affordable unit. The lowest gross salary shown was $13,000, based on Brian Goodheim's figure for the average income for the area. Vidal noted this figure includes many transients who would not be interested in the permanent housing market. When compared with cost figures from the scenarios presented, the chart showed that most units were available to at least the $15,000 salary range when based on 7 3/4% financing. The Comnissioners noted that financing techniques will prove at least as important as construction costs in lowering the price of the units. � Edwards suggested that Vidal's information be integrated with Yaw's recommended I development plan. Kinsley felt the ideal project would have only one bath in all units, more storage space than shown on the revised scenarios, 37 total units, fewer one- and three-bedroom units and more two-bedrooms, with a mix of small and large Coum�ieaionera Meeting August 8, 1977 - 13 j: ., I ' size units. Kane agreed with the idea of building only 37 units, and did not feel the site would hold much more. He felt the 1.5 cars per unit parking apace was too i ! high, and Zess parking space should be provided. The final proposal arrived at con- I + sisted of 8 one-bedroom units of 675 square feet with a sale price of $35,200, 4 I •� small two-bedroom units of 750 square feet with a sale price of $39,000, 10 large two-bedrooms of 900 square feet with a sale price of $46,600 and 15 three-bedroom � units with carport with 1100 square feet living area, 200 square feet carport and a ' sale price of $61,900. These figures are based on SOZ tap fee. Guy stated that the 1 �� architectural contract will be formally amended based on this mix of units. Kinsley moved to approve the contract with Copland Hagman and Yaw for the Midland Park project. i Edwards seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. � :' ---------- .( `' There being na further business, the meeting was.adjourned. - r;! . �. .. � . . . . . . � . ;' � � � . . .� � . 4i . , . . . . . . . . . . .. . �% '4" �espectfully submitted, Approved: :� +Y �' ��,��:, � . � �•. .� { ; {,,�:. ;� F ' r'�r '�` � d..�u!d7>;l.1'� � � c � �� ,'� I,i��Stecga��; L�eputy County Clerk Ch rman M chael K3.nsle , �; .����:•� . .. i.,: . . �� . . � . � �` i P a. � � . � � . . . C �: / . � 1.�?�`�' �/����� . 3 � � � 1����` f �. . � . . � _....:. _ '' xobeze ct,iia T � - � , � � Jo �a , . z � � � 9 . � . � . . - . . . � . � ;i . � . . � . - _ � . . . . . - � . � . . - � . � - - � . .- . . - . . . � _ � . . . � � � � . . � . � �� � � . . - � � - � .. - � . � � . . � � . � . . . . . � � � . . � . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . � . . . . . . . .. . .. . - . . .. �. � . . i . � .. . � . . . . .. . . . . . . . � � � . �� - � . . . � � . . � . -. . . � . � . .. �� . � . . � . � - . . . - . . . � . .. .. . . . . . . . .. .. . ..: Cammissioners Meeting August 8, 1977 - 1 :�';;;? ; -3_, �.,r�� . . . .... . . . . ... .... . __ , _�.._ _ _. W` � ���;. , �t ��t. ' ' . ' N�J•j � ;��;� � � Regular Mectin9 Aspen City Council � July 25, 1977 � . ....... .._.. _. ...._ ..... ...___._... .. .....__. _ .__.. . ._.._ ._ .. .._..... ._...._-__ ._ ...--'---__ ---..._......_...___ . _ I' ; ` Council quesl:ioned why the communicationa department necded new uniforms. Ms. Dutterbaugh � explained that it is a joint city/county communications center, and the County feels � � ! � I� uncomfortable wfth thc.dispatchers weariny AFpen Police uniforms. Councilman Hershey � � said thc dispatchcrs could qet patches that say "City/COUnty Communications", they don't � � need whole uniforms. � � 'r,��� ' Councilman llershey mnver7 to adopt ordinance l43, Series of 1977, as amended deleting the � � , "( . � appropriation for unfiromsm seconded by Councilman Parry. Rol:l call vote; CouncilmemUers . +.. . � � Van Ness, aye; Parry, aye; dohnston, aye; }�ershey, aye; Mayor Standley, aye. Motion � � � � ! carried. . � =i � Councilman Parry moved to adjourn the regular meeting at 9:15 p.m.; seconded�by Councilman f - � � liershey. All in favor, motion carried. � � _ � i � � i � i �• � xathrynlj`. ttauter, city clerk . . . � - ' I.: � . �. �� � � � �ular Meetinq Aspen City Council August B, 1977 � . i � ��� � Mayor Standley called the joint meeting to order at 12:10 p.m. with Counci2members � Be,}irendt, E3ershey, Johnston, Parzy, Van Ness, and Commissioners Child, Edwards, and - I - � � � ' Kinsley present. ,. � ' � ��. � - , LITTLE CLOUD PURCHASE � / � . ��. � . '" , i.... .. . � City/County planner Bill Xane told the Boards that Dob Stevens, owner of Little Cloud, �, has gone through the planning work, and the planning department is in a position to receive a permit for a single family house. The Council and Commissioners had authorized � ` � �. an appraisal on this property. The appraisel is $100,000 for the 2.2 acres. Stevens i �� , 1 has specified terms for the sale; $95,000 with no interest, two nayments due October 1, � 197�, and May 1, 1978. Kane pointed out the decision is to entertain a single family - . � � dwelling on this property, or to purchase and preserve as open space. Kane stated this - is a critieal piece of land because of Shadow Mountain. � Mayor Standley said the Paepeke estate owns some land at the base in this area. Thc � estate may be willing to sell the land to the City. Commissioner Edwards said that � j � � - - � Stevens also owns .the Sibley. Stevens offer to the Covnty at one time was that if the � . County would give him four little log cabins, Cwo units each, Stevens would qive the � � � . � � � County the higher lands and a 40 foot easement acrosc the Midland. Edwards stated that ,.i. �� � . ' . . it seemed more economical per square foot ta go out•and consider properties like the � i. � � � � North Star Ranch and properties west of town. $100,000 is a lot of money for this . � � � property. Commissioner Xinsley noted that in order for the County to.pick up Little . . � . Cloud,.they would have to allow upwards of eight units on the Sibley. . I � �� Councilman Behzendt said he £elt that anything up on Shadow Mountain aEfects the wfiole� �:�i � - . . town. Councilman Hehrendt said he would vote to buy open snace everVtime he could• � - - Commissioner Rinslev said he would 6e interested in ourchasina Little Cloud if it were ' ! � � � j • � �. to be used for emplovee housing. . . ! Councilman Behrendt moved to make an ofEer to Bob Stevens to purchase Little Cloud for a $45,000 with no deed restrictions, accozding to the terms oF payment, and a letter of � ' condemnation will be issued. Motion died Eor lack of a second. � � County Manager Ochs withdrew to discuss this with Bob Stevens. � I-. , , � LAND TRE/+TNIENT I� � - . � . 7ohn Musick told the Council and Commissioners that they had approved his entering into � ' � - , negotiations with the Salvation Ditch Company and other land owners int-erested in � �. . � � � operating a land treatment system. Aspen Metro and Rspen Sanitation told t4usick if he ( � � could get approval from a land owner, they will favorable review for ZO1. With land � � � � treatment, there is also possibilities for minimum stream flows and water rights � � . - - acquisition. Musick said he was at the point where the City may have ta take a stand � � with regard to the tmatment alternatives at the Metro plant a�hich might be contrary to - � � 201. The City and County may want to insist upon land [reatment. Musick showed the � �� � � � Boards a film, which helps make a decision about land treatment versus bioloqical treat- � : � � ment. The film does not show out to acquire water riahts. ' � � Musick said that one landowner has sugyested he would like to cooperate with the land ! . � � . treatment proposal. Andre Ulrych, who purchased the Vagneur ranch, would like to have . � 2and treatment investigated. Musick said he felt it is incumbent upon the City and . � � � � � County, and in bot•h of their interests, to investigate this. They cannot a�k Metro to � take the next step, What will be reqvired is an alternative 201 study by an accepted ' � engineer. � The study can be done for $5,000 to $15,000. i i � - Musick said the community should be interested in land treatment. The other halE of the � . � � pro�osal is betCCr water quality for ihe Roaring Potk, and minimum stream flows for ' � Hunter Creek and Roaring Fork. � � � � � � � Commissioner Kinslcy moved to anprove Masick to 90 and scek en9inecrin9 proposals f.or ; � � . the City and County's consideration to undertake for nexC`year; seconded by Councilwoman �. � ,lahnston. A17. in favor, motion carricd. . ! � ' I � 1 �� 1�/ �� 1 @:,r. .-F.. yk:'r. � :.. . .I ei _ �c.� . . . ' " .. .. -.,w....�st..rit`__.:1:�'_!...�:_ �.�;,� �� . . �, �...�.�,n-.� . ' '.,.. �.:.. .. . . . .... .. . , Yidwd.:.:IC:f.:JY..rs.�.rlk.'v''r.�. . ,. �. . . . . ��l.i'Yl j�. !�,l� . . . . . . . .. . . . .. . .. .r'�L;V . . . `a��P:'.�� Regular Meeting Aspen City Counci] . August 8, 1977- � ... . . . .. . . . . .. . . _....._ _ ..._ .. . . . ! ._ .. _. . . . ..... .. .__ . ... ._._ . . ... .....__. _... .------._ -__'.--"--'. '_-_--. .-�'--� � ---"."--'-"" George�OChs reported that Bob Stevens is not interest•ed in any other land deals. The '� � � bottom line is that he has ofPers substantiaYly higher than whal the City is offering. , � Stevens is not interested in any type of restrictive covenant on the land. Slevens does � ' . � I� . not want to-deGelop the Sibley right now. Stevens would be willing'to work out financing � I on the Little Cloud. The County indicated they were not interested in pursuing this . purchase. The City put off decision until their moeting. � . � . � WAGNER PTRA LAND TR71DE � . a �Planner Kanc said he had included a memorandum in the packet proposing land trades that � � �was strictly a function of the last meeting. Kane said the honest reaction of the planning � � � -" office if different than that outlined in the memorandum. There are two emininent land . . -�� .purchase before the City and CounCy right now; North Star Ranoh and Aspen One Property;� � � � which tiea into the Rio Grande master plan. Xane said the planning office had come to - � � the conclusion that it is virtually impossible to develop a functional, attractive river- - i . front park without the Aspen One property.. The memorandum outlined a joint acquisition of � - ;� . the nspen One property. Hane stated from an overall economic and administrative standpoint �' it would make more sense for the City to pursue Aspen One and make that into a City park, ! � and to let the County pursue acquisition o£ the Nort-h Star Ranch. - -i �, ; . , ; City Manager Mahoney pointed�out the City has'administration of Wagner Park now. The � . � ' . . City is stcuctured so that they ean provide vrban funetions in the City, fJith joint , j � acquisitions, there could be overlapping governments without a clear directive on what . j- � ach should provide. Commissioner ICinsley said the County was not creating an umbrella - ! . overnment. Rinsley stated�he never had strong feelings about the land trade, and that � � �j . ane's point was very well made. , ' i � - - - • - - ouncilman Behrendt moved not to proceed with the land trades at this time; seconded by � _ i � - ouncilman Parry. All in favor, motion carried. � � � . - . j ommissioner cdwards said the City staff had made a decision to allow expansion of a non- � � - onforming use on�the�property in the form of a lumber yard, and the staff has been � . - � � esponsible for storage of bricks and mall construction yard on the Rio Grande, and has � . �� . llowed a degradation of the area. The purpose of the land trade was to create a nice � � '� pace down there. Commissioners Edwards asked if the Council might direct the staff to � �-� � � - iake some commitments to getting a riverfzont park underway and to terminate the non- � . - � onforming uses, and to move forward wit the Aspen One. Edwards stated that this is � . � ublic land and it looks worse than any land in the County. Mahoney answered�that the . ; ta£f is working on this and have a schedule. Council has been advised.. Mayor Standley - . � �i �. � sked the status of the non-conEorming uses on the Aspen One property. Mahoney said i . . �heir clean-up should coincide with the City activity and clean up. Rane said that a � � �. . ublic hearing was set for August 16 for the Rio Grande SPA master plan adootion. . i;� . LD NOSPITAL TASK FORCE � ' � � � s � ick Lee, chairman of the old Hospital task £orce, told the Boards that after a series of � � � � � � 9 to 20 meetings £or study and input, the task force came up with a recommendation Eor ; � � -he use of the old hospital. Lee had submitted c'opies of the report on this recommendation . � j.� � o the Council and Commissioners. Lee�stated that one of the first things the task force . . � 1 ecided was that they woul� not recommend doing anything drastic enough to the building � ��� � hat a decision could not be altered in the future. �� � . �.� he task force recommended that the old hosptial building be used as a community center � � I�� ith accommodations for a care center for the elderly at the residential level. The � . pace will be allocated as per plan 3, which is in the report. The newest wing will be i n activity area; some of the present office space will be used for ofEices for a varietly . � £ community uses. The kitchen area is being studied more in detail before an exact use � or that is determined. . . � • i ee said very weel thought out requests for use of the hospital as a care center for the � � . lderly was considered. The task £orce looked into this and' recommended that the � . ospital be approached as a residential area not as an intermediate or skilled nursing are center that would necessitate staffing to accomplish this. Lee said the task force � - elt that skilled nurshing care supervision should more appropriately be under the � . i � . ospital district. Lee said the task force felt there is a necessity of planning of a ooperative nature for all public buildings. These should be put into a plan for consid- � . ration of the community and should not be considered in isolation. Commissioner xinsley� � tated that the County has decided that tbe main £ocus of the EDA grant money would be . n the,old hospital. � - � � . - � I � ona Frost told the Boards people are very happy that they are considering residential � ' �i are for the elderly. Mrs. Frost pointed out that since Lhis facility is for the elderly � '- nd tl�ey do give up their homes in Aspen to move and do become ill, what is going to � � ; � appen. If there is intermediate care, those who are ill could be moved into the inter- � j - ediate care center. This could also brincj hack some of the elderly who have had to I � - eave Aspen to go to nursinq homes in other cities. Mrs. Frost said they had been told � � � t would be very easy to change the hospital i�to an intermediate care center. Also the � � � irector of the present hospital gave assurances that be would be willing to administer � � ' he intermediate nursing care center. , � . � -� rs. Frost had an opinion poll with over 470 signatures of peoplc �aho feel the hospital � . � . - . hould be used as a intermediate care facility. Thi� would be for anyone in town who .; as need of intermediate care after leaving the hocpital. Mrs. Frost said she'hoped that 't � he Council and Conunissioncrs would wnsider the use of the hospital as an intermediate � -� are facility. , � OUNCIL MEETING � INUTES , • uncilwoman Jotmston moved to approve tlie minutes of: the July 2 , 1977, meeting; seconded Councilman IIehrendt. All in favor, motion carried. � • � 1 :� p9 ��° ' :�- -�,� �:'.. : , ... �-����� . ; ;,,_� �� � _�� �� � � �� i �':�. � 1 l l �..t�'L� �+��� ' `\ �`.'V' \_ �!I I;+`�% r`�r,r �a'--� ,� _� ,r; �f. 1/. � , ,J;,�",�,�` 1yI '/� . 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Y�S �':.��. `r:�;4:.. +Y�\ ` i ( i RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves i rna w c r.xoiuE�a..�•.ca � i U,S. FOREST SERVICE � � . PITKIN COUNTY . J . ' � Meeting August 9, 1977 �., PRE5ENT: Tom Bell, U. S. F. S.; Karen Smith, Planning Office; Hunt Walker; Pitkin County Commissioners. Tom Bell explained that he had asked to meet to get the Commissioners' reaction to the Maroon Bells Bus Syatem. There will be a three week review on Ptonday August 15 at 2:00 at the Aspen Chateau. Michael Kinsley volunteered Co be on � the decision committee and said he thought the system was terrific. Hunt Walker who is in charge of the system for the county said there were some problems with it. The primary problem is that the system is losing money and will not break even even if the ridership increases and the last operating day is moved forward. Currently, the number of trips has been cut but the loss is around $250.00 per day. Hunt said the total loss would be around $14-15,000.00 which includes the start up costs. Joe Edwards said he would ptefer to lose money and save the Bells. Bell said the USFS wants very badly to keep the buses running and that he has had only three complaints. Karen Smith talked about the problem � wi[h the Deanes who own T-Lazy-7 Ranch. The Deanes major concern is that they are losing money on their horse operation. Smith thinks this may be attributable � to an off summer and not to the bus system. Hunt said he would check with other local businesses to see if any are having an off sucomer. Smith said that brochures are handed out and posters are on every bus advertising the Deanes horse 3 operation. Hunt then [alked about the parking 1ot problem. He said that cars are � parking in the lower lot which is the bus turnaroundand are not paying attention to the signs. Kinsley suggested changing the signs. Smith suggested locking the lot at night. Bell said he would look into locking the lot and would see about � : changing the camp sites there to day use only picnic sites. Ae also said that camp site use was down, another indication of an off summer. Kinsley to2d Bell that at some point the county would ask for financial assistance from the USFS. Bob Child said there is a need to improve the bus get-on Iocation and there should be available to riders notification of whether or not campsites are open. Smith said that the bathrooms are reported to be locked frequently. Bell promised to check on that. Hunt mentioned a correlation between ridership and weather. It was agreed that there should be rain shelter at the Bells. A derelict bus : will be used. Loushin Ditch 1 . Karen Smith explained that Lud Loushin has been asking.for a ditch and � reservoir on Aspen Mountain which he claims is solely for improving the wildlife and sporadically for mining activity. His attorney, Albert Kern, says he has no plans for building. Smith asked if the Commissioners thought the application should go through special review. The Forest Service will be reviewing the matter in order to grant or deny a special use permit. The Commissioners agreed that the application should come under the County's special review procedures. There being no further business, the meeting was ad3ourned. Respectfully submitted, { � l�"� � ' Annie Coble, Deputy County Clerk ! � � ,.. _._...,..,.. . .�...... _ ;Fj � ;,s..