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S �. ^ � � 1� � a�. ;4?+ �C'a.s F'' ;•, . � . - ,�'A i�"� t W,�� �s;, � � E AGENDA � BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS i . i PITKIN COUNTY, COLORADO � /v•3• �7 � 12:00 pm U.S.F.S Luncheon Meeting • , � _ - 1:30 pm Airport Use Agreements - McCoy � • Crested Butte Air Service • Murnane Aviation 1:45 pm RESOLUTIONS: ' _ • Amendment to Airport Regulations - SMS • Adopting Sheriff's Fees - DK • • Midland Park: 1) Detailed Submission - KS � 2} Rezoning of De-Annexed Portions - � � o Special Review Approval of Racquetball Court - KS • Code Amendment for Community Center - KS • Appropriation Funds for Emergency Generator - GLO � FC ' � • Interim financir.g-piidland Park 2:00 pm Nelson Jay Subdivision Exemption - hS 2:10 pm Acceptance of EDA-LPW Grant - NJ 2:20 pm Liquor License Transfer - La Pinata - AC 2;25 pm County Fireplace Design Standards - JD � 2:45 pm Pitkin County Library Appointment - CB 2:50 pm County Treasurer's Monthly Statement 2:55 pm Faulkner Funding Request - BK 3:00 pm /td�2�A�9 l�r�d a�.qc���jfic� d�accc�a�a>, . . � � � � , � - � � _ , ,a ' --- -- • --.. , , .... ----�.�.�� .~ ,..: " � — _ _ �i.., , _ „,.,,..:,. f �: ;. __----- ---- ----__---------._ . ___ ___. ...-- —-- -------- ------ -- .: _ ._-�-- -------°- — --- --------—�._..__ ____ :'n.: i, . _'_�__ —"_ _ �r:� i PITKIN COUNTY ri� i',' !� BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS '$ �� '�' i�ecial Meetinq October 3, 1977 �' i;; � �',RRESENT: Chairman Michael Kinsley, Robert Child, .Toseph E. Edwards Jr. � r� '1 ---------_ 9 i: � � The Commissioners met the first Monday in October as required hy State Statute. ��` A `' "'���____ h , �:Red Mtn. Edwards asked about the status of the Red Mountain repeater station. The Starwood �•, ?Repeater � ;;Station Homeowners Association has complained about the roed construction being done by Holy � �' Cross. Ochs reported Chat the line extension has been apQroved hy the Planning and Zoniag . � }; ii � ' Commission, and a 20% retention of fees is being held pending restoration, to be II ` approved by the County, The roadcut on the Starwood side of Red Mountain is necessary � I''' � for construction of the line; access to the repeater station will be via Hunter Creek. i; �� The poles for the line are being installed by hel3copter, but a backhoe is be3ng used �; � !! to cl.ear the right-of-way. �; g i --------° � i� �'Crested Doug McCoy, Airport Manager, presented two use agreements with Crested Butte Airlines � . ��Butte & IMurnane and Murnane Aviation for landing fees at the airport. Both air services will pay land- j,Landing ;�Fee ing fees for the use of the field and Murnane will pay an hourly fee for flight instruc- f. �iAgreements � li tion given aC the airport and for the leasing of aircraft to oCher parties. The I�, irates will be $2.00 per hour for duel flight instruction and $1.00 pet hour for solo il �' plane rental. Edwards asked if similar fees are charged at other airports. McCay said �� that these landing fees are the ones set in the airport rules and regulations resolution �j recently passed. Ochs noted that the planes used by these sirlines are light, so the � i; �i landing fees won't add up to much. He asked if the County should consider establishing Ili minimum fees. McCoy pointed out that these planes also carry fewer people. Ochs noted � i� � � that some costs such as snowplowing apply to all flights, regardless of how many passen- ''1 � ii gers are on board. Both airlines have a lease arrangement with Mountain West for use G � l; of their terminal space. Child asked about the term of the agreement specified on page ii �I three, which states it shall commence qn April 1, 1976 and exl-end for a period of 25 i �� �; months. The 25 month figure is incorrect and should read 3o months. MeCoy noted that the ` �; ; term of the agreement extends frvm that time because of a letter establishing landing � fees which was sent to Crested Butte on April 1, 1976. The letter served as an agreement J if � �� j� until a formal agreement could be drawn up. Crested Sutte agreed to pay the County the � ` � . � past landing fees, and report on their activit3es, however they have not done that. � � �� } Edwards suggested amending the contract to establish the same time frame as Murnane's �¢ I (: � and to settle colleetion of the past landing fees through negotiation. McCoy said he E �3 iwill not execute the contract until past landing fees have been collected. Kinsley moved �; � �t 'Commissioners Meeting Octobex 3, 1977 - 1 �?� � `ii I?;: I'' I ip y i -------'----------- — — . �----- � - ---- --� i__ ..... .._ . . . ... .__.... .__.. __. ._ . . . __.____--_____—�'—__ - _.__.__—_ .. . . . .. . .....___.. i �—_' to approve both contracts, with the Crested Butte contract amended to read "30 �I ; 1 months" on page three. Child seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. � �� --------- � li t !� i Noise Sandy Stuller gresented a resolution amending resolution 77-111 establishing noise i � Testing �� at the testing procedures to establish decibel levels at the airport. Edwards stated that ii i Airport j: � the FAA wants the County to use the FAA noise certificate charts; the testing i ;I j method proposed in the regulation would be much more complicated because a decibel �, � � ' � !I � meter would have to be installed. Stuller said that the noise testing would be � i; ' necessary only when the County is unsure of the decibel level for an aircraft; it Ij would be used only for scheduled carriers. Child noted that the FAA charts already �I � � Night have readings for most aircraft. Edwards asked if Child and Kinsley were aware that p ' Operations 'i for resolution 77-111 allows charter operations to operate night flights. Kinsley replied�i Charter ,i Flights he wasn't aware of that and asked haw it would affect Bonanza, Murnane and Crested i i; i; 8utte airlines. McCoy said only Bonanza may currently have the equipment to operate � :� � at night. Crested Butte and Murnane currently don't have the capability for night ,•i j il flights. Edwards pointed out that they could develop that capability in the next ii � � i � few years. Kinsley felt that could cause problems. McCoy said that Bonanza may be �( i� intending to operate their F-27's at night under the current regulations. He ques- i' I; tioned the flight pattern specified in the proposed noise testing resolution; he i� I! i; felt pilots should be allowed to use the abatement pattern in the testing procedure. i; I Stuller stated that that isn't in the scope of authority for the Cou�¢issioners as � i �i � airport operators; the noise limitations contained in resolution 77-lIl are differe:it �l than the abatement procedure [hey are currently working on. Kinsley felt more com- ' fortable using the standard FAA noise scale. McCoy stated that modified aircraft i would still have to be tested. Edwards stated that modified aircraft can get their � � noise certificate from the FAA. The Co�issioners agreed to adopt the FAA noise �� certificated standards, and rejected the proposed noise testing resolution. Kinsley �; felt it was necessary to address the possibility of charter operations altering their equipment so they can fly at night. Edwards agreed there is no need for a charter aircraft to operate at night. Kinsley asked what would be required ta remove i' j� cHar[er operations from night flying. Stuller replied that another public hearing would be necessary. Kinsley favored excluding charters from night flights, stating that the argument used in allowing common carriers doesn't apply to charters. Child '` agreed. � --------- �i i� Fee Sheriff Dick Kienast presented a resolut3on adopting higher fees for the Sheriff's Increase for Sheriff�a Department for civil process. This is allowed by SB 378 recently adopted. This bill i' Dep t. . i allowa the Sheriff's department to charge fees to cover actual expenses attributable :� �; i� Commissioners Meeting October 3, 1977 - 2 �; � '' (1 ,:;. ---------------------- ---. ._. ..;. . __..__. . , ----------------------------------------_ , -------- -. :-„. ;• to this service; this includes personnel and processing costs, but excludes mileage. ��"�� 1� v�.. j;� Kienast fi ured the absolute minimum cost �'� S per service to be $12.15, excluding mileage. ;� ;�: Edwards moved to approve the resolution. Child seconded the motion and it passed ;' a unanimously. � � ' S, --------- � ; � �Midland Karen Smith presented a resolution approving Midland Park detailed submission. She 6 �.Park !:Detailed noted that the resolution incorporates the changes made at the last meeting concerning ' ;Submission . ! the Salvation Ditch trail easement, removal of the gg p, gate for access to Smu ler Mountain and prohibiting dogs from the project. Ochs asked if the easement require- i' !' ment noted in provision seven must be met before any unita are sold. Smith replied I� � that all easements must be obtained before construction is begun or the final plat is ' j, approved. Stuller corrected this by stating that all easements must be obtained �; i; before final plat approval, but not before construction is started. Edwards asked i! j� about the status of acquisition of the easements. Smith replied that Stuller and �' Chuck Vidal are ne otiatin with the ad'acent 8 8 � property owners. Kinsley asked if it I1, " would be appropriate to sign the detailed submission before all the easements have il j: been obtained. Stuller said that the Commissioners should not make a practice of I; ;; doing so, but since the Coun[y has condemnation authority the situation here is dif- �, II ferent. All easements will be secured at the time of final plat approval. Edwards �� felt the easements should be handled. Child asked why, if this is a requirement of �i�' a rivate develo er, it should not a 1 to the Count Kinsle asked what effect P P PP Y Y• Y �; there would be if the detailed submission were not approved until all easements had f; !I been obtained. Ochs said it would completely stop work on the project, since no � I; �� building or excavation permits can be obtained until detailed submission approval has li . I; been granted. Fdwards noted that not all the easements are necessary, they are merely �. �i � desireable. Stuller said that condemnation procedures will take quite a while, especially for the Aspen Hills easement. She estimated that if the detailed submission �i i' r �� ' is not signecl until all condemnation procedures are finalized it would delay construc- Iition at least until next spring. Ochs noted that Vidal is working on the easements i; �� full-time, and they are not unob[ainable. If the project is delayed now it would � + ! raise costs. Smith agreed that construction should not be delayed because all of the I! ��� easements can be obtained. Ochs pointed out that the Housing Authority is empowered I � with different rights and powers than a private developer, and they should use that I' authority in a situation like this. The Midland Park project has been scrutinized as IImuch or more than a private project. Stuller also felt there was no reason to impose � this time-lag now. Child favored approving the detailed submisaion, because he did not want to increase costs by delaying construction. Child moved to authorize the Chairman to sign the resolution granting detailed submission approval to the Midland Couunissioners Meeting October 3, 1977 - 3 � i � i � f" �; . i. ... _..._ _ _ -- _ --__ _ .. . __ _ -_. i Park pro3ect. Edwards seconded the t�otion and it passed unanimously. ---------- il Midland Edwards moved to authorize the Chairman to sign a resolution rezoning portions of l; Park ` Rezoning the Midland Park project de-annexed by the City to PMH. Kinsley seconded the motion �,� Resolution '� 1 and it-passed unanimously. ij I; i i; i� l� , Iselin Kinsley moved to approve the resolution granting special review approval to the j� Racquetball• � b Court Iselin Park racquetball court. Edwards seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. �� Approval ,� --------- y 4 LUC Amend- Kinsley moved to approve a resolution amending the Land Use Code to include the �I ment: Co�unity definition of a community center and to allow a co�unity center by special review II Center ! in the R-15 zone. Child seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. �� f� ---------- ' i! � APprop, Kinsley moved to approve a resolution appropriating additional sums of money for �� funds: i the urchase of a enerator to su 1 emer enc ower to the Courthouse. Edwards � Generator P S PP Y 8 Y P I seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. �� i ---------- II � �i Encumbrance Stuller presented a resolution authorizing the encumbrance of the Randall property 'I of the Randall for.interim financing for the Midland Park pro�ect. The Cownissioners amended the i� Property s' resolution to eliminate Brian Goodheim's name as Housing Director on page two. ii Kinsley asked about the debt service limitations of the County. Ochs replied that i i I i this loan is collaterilized, so it doesn't apply. Edwards moved to approve the P �� jresolution. Kinsley seconded and it passed unanimously. �j � �i ______..____ 1' �� Nelson .Tay Karen Smith presented an application for a subdivision exemption by Nelson Jay. �I Subdivision Exemption Jay wants to purchase .73 acres from an adjoining landowner to create a buffer zone for his house. Such action would not create any more than the original number of ii parcels and therefore is eligible for the exemption review. He has no intentions of j, any further development of the parcel and'intends to plant it.in native grass and ;i shrubs. Child suggested specifying that no building or development will be allowed i; k in the resolution granting the exemption. Fd De�ing, representing Mr. Jay, said he ii would be willing to do that. The County Engineer has discovered that the private ii access road is apparently within the County's Rio Grande easement; this is not C clarified on the plat. De�ing showed the Board a copy of a private way license between Samuel Howell, William Lane and the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad, and a `;� Commissioners resolution signed by the Commissioners in office at the time. Edwards " i: stated that the easement cannot interfere with the uses of the County trail system. j� Edwards moved to approve the subdivision exemption for Nelson Jay with the �i i: i; �! Commissioners Meeting October 3, 1977 - 4 ;I �! �i i� � � ; (. .. . . _.....__....._..._.__........_.._. ... ..__...._. . ...._ . �. . _.__ _ � --; ------------------------..._..-------- --------------�- ------------------- - ��; - _,. ,j condition that Jay execute a covenant agreement �oining the two parcels in[o a single � � building site forever and prohibiting any development on the entire parcel. The I� �� � language of the covenant agreement must be approved by the County Attorney. Kinsley s� !, 1� seconded the motion and it passed unanimously. ,,, _________ ;� jt1EDA Grant Ochs discussed the $406,000 EDA � grant the County was recently awarded. The grant i� �: ki; application was signed and returned to the EDA by September 30, as was required in the �": grant awatd. A �ieeting was held Co discuss the co�unity center concept and the � li �i processes required. Ochs noted that there are quite a few requirements the County I��' must meet. It ma be ossible to hase the Y p p project, however that process must be II � � outlined in a report to the EDA. The 90 day requirement for beginning construction � �� means that a contract must be bidded out by December 24, 1977. There is also a 10X t ' minority contractors requirement contained in the grant. Ghild asked about limitatlons i �`� on uses of the building. Ochs replied that they did not specifically address the I'� nursing home possibility, however any State permits tequired would have to be obtained � within the 90 day period. Kinsley felt it would be impossible to obtain the State { permit within that time period. He suggested that renovation on the hospital building { f could be done in a general scope without limiting the use of the building. Edwards � � moved to ratify Kinsley's signature on the grant acceptance. Child seconded and the j � motion passed unanimously. ` ---------- t �La Pinata Child moved to approve a stock transPer for the La Pinata Inc. liquor license to �:Liquor �'�License Ron and Tony Gonzales and Dan Klauster. Liz Stewart, Deputy County Clerk, noted that '� the Sanitarian, Sheriff and Treasurer had all ' y i given their OK s. Kinsle seconded the i� �i motion and it passed unanimously. �j I i - ---------- �jFireplace Jeff Davis, County Engineer, presented draft fireplace design standards, which were ;;Design I�Standards needed to clarify the recently-passed Building Code amendment concerning fireplaces. h �I Davis felt these represent the best controls possible at the present time. They include I; �; ii regulations on design standards for masonry and zero clearance fireplaces and free- ! standing fireplaces. Kinsley asked if these standards would provide enough efficiency IIto a11ow an unlimited number of fireplaces in the County. Stuller noted that the I � limitations on numbers of fireplaces is an attempt to limit pollution from fireplaces, i, not 3ust inefficiency. Davis felt these regulations would also help to lessen pollution, however the number of fireplaces allowed should still be limited. Child �equested that these regulations be submitted to the Air Pollution Control Soard for comment, Kinsley added that they should be circulated among people in the construction business and published for a public hearing. Child asked if regulations could be drafted to address (COmmisaioners Meeting October 3, 1977 - 5 I � a 2% - ---- =- ----- ------------------------------- ---------.---- _ 1 existing fireplaces. Davis replied that they could not be enforced. The Commissionera�� did not have any changes to the standards presented. � ----- - i� Library The Commissioners discussed an appointment to the Library Board. They have received ;� Board �' Appointment applications from Pat Fallin, Barbara Prebble, Phillip Desmond, Bianca Hooker, Tony !� ;� Dumire and Sean Cutting. Chuck Baker, who interviewed all the applicants, felt ;� :I ii each of them would do a good job on the Board. He suggested cousidering a representa- �: li tive from Snowmass, since it was recently i,icorporated into a town. Baker favored jl il i, Barb Prebble, because he felt she could devote a lot of time to the job. Kinsley !`� li suggested that, in making board appointments, it would be valuable to conaider the il income level of the applicants so that lower income brackets could have some represen- �, il tation. Baker reviewed the applicants and felt they were all interested in the � 1� position, however some did not have as much time available for .the Boar.d. Kinsley � i ;� � moved to appoint Barb Prebble to the Library Soard. Edwards seconded the motion and d I i� it passed unanimously. !j �{ --------- �� Monthly Kinsley moved to sign the Treasurer's monthly report. Child seconded the motion I� Reports fl and it passed unanimously. i Faulkner Bill Kane presented a request from .Tohn Faulkner for financial support for his � ii Thesis Funding thesis. He is considering the following topics: transportation, growth, housing i Request II or skiing. Ochs felt that these special requests should be considered at budget � review time. Kane noted that Faulkner contributed a lot to City-County transportation i� ; work, and he is a valuable worker. Kane supported the idea of further study of { growth in order to lend further legal support to the Growth Management Plan. He �I ij felt that the $3,000 to $6,000 being requested is a reasonable fee for the study. �I 4 Stuller suggested he could tailor his thesis to the Little Annie's Ski Area. The �� . i Commissioners all agreed to consider his request and felt there are several areas i� ,� he could work on. �' �� !� --------- �i j {I Land The Commissioners discussed the land acquisition program. Ochs noted that the ,i � Acquisition '� Program County needs to devise a program to review potential purchases, funding and budgeting. ; �� i This should include a process for selection, acquisition and management. He added ;� I : I that WICHE will provide $4.00 per hour for sixteen weeks for a person over 45 years !j ( i� ( old to work on the program. It was suggested that Bob Lewis may be able to develop , �; � a management plan for the Smith property with this funding. John Stanford, of the '; ii i � Planning Office, presented the land acquisition process he has drafted. This includes !I i ;i a program development phase, used to inventory resources, funding, etc., a negotiations�� �i �� I! October 3, 1977 - 6 �� Co�issioners Meeting ;j ;i 1� � I. .. ...._......_.. . ..__.__................ ............ ........ ...... . .........._.... ........._.__" .�.._..�.�__.___....,. _ � , . � ------ ----- ------ --- -------------------- t,, ia ..�: ��Land phase consisting of a preliminary evaluation of the property, negotiations with the :j, IAcquisition I�Program landowner, contr8ct preparation, etc., and an administration and land management i�(cont.) � phase, including appointment of a land management co�mnittee to oversee the parcel. II i Kane noted that the Pitkin County Parks Association (PCPA) feels that they are left ii I` out of the rocedure. The Plannin Office has a p g �i p g general aversion to lacin too �i much emphasis on a coimnittee that is not directly responsible to the voters, or is i; not appointed by individuals directly responsible to the voters. He noted that the !; land acquisition program involves substantial sums of money, and felt it should be li �i directly related to elected officials, not a citizen's board. Kane agreed that the I� �' PCPA should be involved in the process, but felt a more appropriate role would be �� �i that of a referral agency. Bruce Oliphant, of the PCPA, agreed that their role should �� not be to direct the land acquisition program, however he felt they should be consulted � �� �on each purchase to be considered in order to maintain their effectiveness. They do �i not want to have decision-making power, however they would like to serve as an II i advisory board on a regular basis. Raymond Auger, of the PCPA, noted that Stacy i� Standley and Joe Edwards said that the PCPA should play a key role in the open space �� I program. He, too, perceives theirs as an advisory role, however he would like to I! I' determine the extent of their involvement at the outset. He felt the Planning Office's i I. program doesn't have one agency running [he entire process, and that is vital. j� Auger suggested that there should be one advisory group to compile all the recommenda- �' �� tions and provide advice to the Commissioners. Kinsley felt that management work and liadvisory work are [wo different roles. He still sees PCPA as playing a major role �i in the land ac uisition �� q process. Auger said that their role would be strictly advisory f� in monetary and management matters, and all ultimate decisions would be made by the i� �� Cownissioners. Ochs did not feel that PCPA meetings would be a proper forum for ��' puhlic input, and suggested creating a committee including members of the PCPA, � Board of Commissioners and the Planning and Zoning Commission. He agreed that the I �� I�� plan needs some central authority. Edwards felt that this confrontation is unnecessary. � He agreed that there is a lack of central management and the purpose of the meeting � scheduled with the City this week is to discuss this problem. A process must be `� developed to solicit donations, list the viable possibilities and then handle these II possibilities. Edwards noted that the Commissioners are open to suggestions on this I� ! process and that a couv¢itment from the City and County on budget allocations is really { � needed at this time. Child agreed that a pivotal point for the program is needed, i � and he felt the Planning Office would be a logical place for this because they deal i • � with land use for both the City and County. He added that the program covers only I iacquisition of parcels and felt that various alternatives to purchasing such as ICommissioners Meeting October 3, 1977 - 7 . � � � i f ! � i� ( . . .. . . I � ... ,-- - _ __ __ _ _ . _ _._ _ _ _ _ .: - _==_ ::_ _: �. _- :__.. ;i - _ = — conservation easements or a rental fee for ranchers to keep their land out of si development should be considered. Kane noted that the staff work involved in the I ; open space program is enormous, and said they would like to hire one staff person � � to devote 100X of their time to the program. The group agreed to discuss this `i � II� ' matter Further at the study session later this week. � s ---------- � � +I � There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. � � � Respectfully Submitted, Approved: • ` I � `.� �� ! i � . � ( ` = r� �.�/�.i� �]�dG(�iZ,�`� l �I ( -' 't , �Liz Skeyr��� Deputy County Clerk Cha rman Michael Kinsley � . � . `: �q . f I) . 1 s i �� 1�� l� ���.�i� � � �/�//� ` /J . . � . t a r�.�-�//,�V" / "//�/�GY/ a:. »a �r. � � �+�t� f :�! Robert Child �! �'� s,,,, � ' i' . � ti, �l i[ . i• (�� 1 1} ;.+,�J rl.. {�� . '� � a: � Jos . E wards, Jr. � �� ; lI �� � I' li I ii _ _ �I - 1� _ �) I� . �t � � . . . ' .. . � � - � - .. . . . � �� '� . � � . . . � . � �p � I � . � � _� � . � � � . I .. . . � � . � . �� . .. . . � . . . . � - II . II . .. � . .. . � , . . . . . � .. - . . � . . � � . . � . II . , _ .� �. : . . . ii Commiasioners Meeting October 3, 1977 - 8 �� � !i , �� ���.. t c�,.- �.. _. - b?,};s..�._;?::�+;;, � . .. : 4s.�rs�� . . . . � � . . _ . ,. . _......._ .. _ ._. _.:.__. ._.._ _- . . . ._.__.. .. ..._ :._ .__. .. ..... � .� _. _ t,+. xt �;�: U.S. FOREST SERVICE / PITKZN COUNTY - AGENDA DATE: Monday, October 3, 1977 PLACE: Red Onion TIME: 12:00 p.m. ` 1. Maroon Bus . T 2. Little Annie's 3. Hunter Creek Access �� Rec� . mtn. T;u��a�ta✓ ���¢ �, >: , �. . _ ;_: . , ,. ;---�-�- � ,,..< , . �_� , ;:.� --,:::.: . ; 1} r . . . - ' . , �;E';::r "� _ . "C�<_ _ . .. . .. _:._.... _.. ... .... ........ ._.. . . ,._... � . . . � � ���7,.. isE;. I i I I RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves j .a,. or.MaEUE�....4�d � � � . . . I PITKIN COi3NTY I. U.S. FOREST SERVICE I v + October 3, 1977 PRESENT: Commissioners Michael Kinsley, Bob Child, Bill Kane, Karen Smith, Sandy Stuller, George Ochs, JT Richer (USFS), Tom Bell (USFS), Joy Caudill, Lou Deane, Ashley Anderson. The group discussed the Little Annie's Ski Area. Bell asked if the County . is serious about proceeding with this item this year,.because he is pre- parfng his budget. Kinsley stated that the County agreed to proceed with the analysis, but any action will be precipitated by the applicant. Kane reviewed the draft agreement for the special review procedure and felt leary about co�itting the County to the position of "lead agency" without £ully understanding the responsibility that involves. Anderson, represent- ing Little Annie's, suggested that a meeting be scheduled between the City, County, State, Forest Service and Little Annie's to draw up an agreement for the joint review process. The Comnissioners agreed that a study session _ during the week of October 17th would be acceptable. Child felt that the agreement should include a deCailed outline of the approach to be taken in reviewing the application. Anderson said those details would be covered in a flow-chart similar to the chart presented at the Commissioners meeting. Bell felt more information would be needed, such as specifying which agency will do what, deadlines, validating and reviewing data, etc. The Forest Service is not willing to take the position of lead agency. Anderson felt that the lead agency is the applicant's contact in the special review pro- cess, and is responsible for setting the agendas and times for meetings. �: Kane felt that the County has the responsibility to review Little Annie's - � under the Land Use Code, but beyond that the County should review the appli cation as a referral agency to the USFS. He said the two roles shouldn't be reversed. Kinsley asked who would pay the costs of analyzing the appli- cation. He felt the County's main concerns would be the off-site impacts � `.,_ . .,.,....,._.._,..____ __ ._.._._..� ..� ;� {i ' "�°,v c �,, - �� , . _. _ _ : . .. - a �f. t � -�1�� z }�•� �r .sk��� RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves � • Li.xa[4FI.LL�LC6 ' USFS/Pitkin County � October 3, 1977 Page Ttao of the application. Bell agreed that off-site impacts are the major concerns, but wants to assure that the County is satisfied with what the Forest Service is doing in regard to Little'Annie's. Anderson felt most of the expense in analyzing the application would be borne by the applicant. Kinsley noted that the costs involved in verifying the data may be as expensive as the initial analysis. Kane stated that the County recognizes that an application for special review will be made to the Forest Service, that they want to identify the areas to be studied, and thaE if any signiFicant negative impact is found with the application it will constitute a basis for denial. Bell said that position also applies to the State and Forest Seroice. He felt the County should take the lead in the off-site concerns to be sure they are thoroughly satisfied. Kane asked if Little Annie's will be studied out- side the context of the Maroon Bells study area. Bell replied that it will. Bell concluded by stating that the agencies involved in the joint review process must identify in detail what concerns are involved with Little Annie's so the applicant nan develop the appropriate data. Bell requested a basic commitment from the :County on whether they would be willing to continue the Maroon Bells bus system next year; he i _: is presently drawing up his budget. Ele felt the system was a very good 'I I deal and would like to try to continue it. Richer said the Forest Ser- I - vice is looking at how the system was run and how it could be improved. j ' : i The Forest Service is willing to supply the labor necessary to convert a i the Silver Bar campground to/turn around, and the workers at the parking j! ... i lots. They are asking that the County contribute the buses and drivers i � only. He felt the costs incurred by the system this year could be re- ! i duced through greater efficiency. Kinsley noted that the cost to the j 1 County for six weeks of operation was $12,000; a three-month program � � would cost approximately $20,000. He was not willing to spend that much. � � He felt that the County developed the prototype of the sys[em and the � I� � .1-. ... .. .. ' . . . .. � � '�ii.P::::ti. ' . . <G;': ' ",3�.,1,; . .. . . -, . . �^�.ai{-;;�;�";; R • +� ;:,.�. -_;;;�.�• :::m, *•. �, ,.� � ,,7, �� � ���x` q: . :..� � w 1 �� �. � �. ,a,. �....o�an....��a RECORD OF PROCEED(NGS 100 Leaves USFS/Pitkin County � October 3, 1977 Page Three Forest Service should maintain it. Bell suggested that the County could use some of their in-lieu-of-taxes money from the federal government to fvnd the bus system. Kfnsley said that the County has already devised prlorities for that money, and felt that the bus system is now the responsibility of the USFS. Child agreed that the Forest Service should cover most of the costs incurred by the bus. Ochs did not feel that a three-month system would be necessary; six weeks during the busy season would be sufficient. He added that the County could cut their costs in 1978, although they sti11 could no[ break even. He fe2t it woald cost approximately $6,000.00 to operate the bus £or six weeks in 1978. Joy Caudill urged the Commissioners not to drop the system for next year. Child asked if the USFS could provide the buses and the County could provide the drivers. Bell said that $25,000 to $30,000 is the maximum the Forest Service could spend on the system next year. Kinsley and Child felt that figure represents a substantial contribution on their part. Ocha pointed out that the County will receive £ive new buses through an UMTA grant, and maybe two of these could be used for the Maroon Bells run. In reviewing the 1977 operation, Bell feli the bus definitely helped in wilderness management. Lou Deane said the stable operations at the T-Lazy Seven Ranch were down $5,000. Caudill asked if it would help the stables if the paricing lot were located above the ranch. Deane felt it would help the stables but would generate a lot of traffic going past the ranch. She stated that they favor the system iP a workable roethod of � �operation can be found. Kinsley suggested looking at a six week operation � : ; for 1978, finding the costs such a system would incur, and determining the . t effects such a system would have on the T-Lazy Seven stables. Deane noted that the bus didn't hurt her lodging operations this year, hut it will in I 1978. 1 � .Toy asked if the Forest Service could assume operation of the bus in F ;:y ;; - �:,.. � �;; ,,,::;r<:� _ �, � - - _ k'::/.�i;} _ .. ' R#�:�:�..c..;,, � . i�` .. - . . . ..._ . .... .. .... . . ..... � �1� 1�: 7 �i��: � � .�,,_; �,, . i RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves � . �...o.a«.....��s USFS/Pitkin County � I . October 3, 1977 � Page Four � 1979. Bell said the earliest they could assume full operation would � (':, be in 1980, but he wants to keep the system alive until that time. Richer asked when the County would know if they will go with the syatem in 1978. Kinsley said they could not make any co�itment until all the I;?<° costs are known. Child said the maximum he would be willing to invest in the bus would be $10,000. Richer felt the County's coats would not run over that figure. The group discussed access to Hunter Creek via Red Mountain. Bell - noted that the lower parking lot for the trailhead can no longer be used I because the City is building a water treatment plant there. He felt some other access would have to be found. Ochs suggested parking in the old hospital parking lot. Caudill asked if a shuttle bus could serve the area. Kinsley replied that that would be too expensive. Bell stressed that a long-term solution [o the problem is needed. He asked that Sandy Stuller investigate the status of Red Mountain Ranch subdivision road to see if ' it would be possible to get access from there. Kinsley suggested that � I � they determine what parking area would be most efficient for skiers and � � least damaging to residents, and see what action would be necessary to obtain it. Deane asked why there is no bus service to T-Lazy Seven in the winter . � for cross country skiing. Kinsley felt that would be a good idea. Ochs f � . noted that the City bus currently goes to Iselin Park and Highlands. He I' . will ask the City if they would be willing to extend this service to the ranch during the winter months only. Bell noted that the Forest Service has received a packet from the � � airlines on the obstruction lights to be erected for night flights. I . i One of the lights is to be located d3rectly above Starwood. He will ask i for a meeting with the Stazwood Homeowners Association to discuss the lights with them. Smith noted that this item will be discussed by the � ,, I I' . � `y r; ::;,r::..; � ` t : - • ���ti ,., Yy,� � � � ' ,� I t I 1 RECORD OF PROCEEDlNGS 100 Leaves � . fAY M L I.xo[CC[L 6 6�L C4 " ' USFS/Pitkin County Octo6er 3, 1977 i Page Five �. . _ _ } Planning and Zoning Co�ission on Wednesday and a public hearing will I. be held before the Commissioners on November 14. The group discussed the repeater aite being constructed on Red ;: . . . i..:';.'.-.... . Mountain. Ochs said that Pat Dobie, of Holy Cross, cla3ms to have � permission from the Starwood Homeowners Association, the Forest Service and the P 6 Z for construction of the line to the site. The P 6 Z approved the line extension, but allowed for a 20X reta3nage of fees until the area is restored. The road involved goes half-way up Red Mountain and 1s used to transport the construction crews to the site. It is not used as a staging area. Caudt22 asked why Holy Cross doesn`t use the Hunter Creek side of the mountain for access. Smith replied that the Hunter Creek side'is used for access to the station itself; the road above Starwood is used for access to the line. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. � Respectfully submftted, � �' �C�.Z .�`facvdrf � : Liz Stewart, Deputy Clerk ;: ' � I i � _ (- • � � I ,. I; i, �- . � �i , ".;.:{�5..