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PITKIN COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
REGULAR MEETING AGENDA
Plaza One Meeting Room
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2007
12:00 NOON ADDITIONSIDELETIONS TO AGENDA
PUBLIC COMMENT, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
CONSENT ACTIONS
1. Minutes of 12/5/06, 12/12/06, 12/19/06 Work Session and 1/1 0107 Regular Meeting
CONSENT PUBLIC HEARING
BOCC Convenes as Board of Health
2. Resolution Approving the Community Service Block Grant, Susan Berdahl
BOCC Adjourns as Board ojHealth
3. 2nd Reading, Resolution Amending the Budget Adoption And Appropriation Resolution for the 2007
General Fund Budget, Debe Nelson
4. 3rd Reading, Resolution Providing Supplemental Appropriations to the 2006 Budget, Debc Nelson
LAND USE CONSENT PUBLIC HEARINGS
I. Lazy Glen Home Owners Association Major Plat Amendment, Site Selection for an Activity of
Loca1/State Interest, 1041 Hazard Review, (To be continued indefinitely at request of Applicant), PH
(PN 8/27106). M. Kraemer
2. 9425 Real Estate LLC (Polsky) Appeal of Hearing Officer Decision, (Continued to 2/28/07 at request
of Applicant), PH (PN 12/07/06), E. Louthis
LAND USE ACTIONS
3. Benson Takings Hearing, M. Kraemer
BOCC OPEN DISCUSSION
ADJOURN
Note: There was an executive session held during the Benson Takings Hearing.
APPROVED FEBRUARY 14, 2007
MINUTES
PITKIN COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
REGULAR MEETING
JANUARY 24, 2007
NOTE: For all staff memorandums and associated documents, including
additional exhibits submitted to the record, refer to the BOCC PACKET FOR
JANUARY 24,2007.
CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Michael M. Owsley opened the regular meeting of
the Board of County Commissioners at 12:01 PM.
COUNTY COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT: Commissioners Michael
Owsley, Patti Kay-Clapper, Dorothea Farris, Jack Hatfield and Rachel Richards.
COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT: None
ADDITIONS/DELETIONS TO AGENDA: None
PUBLIC COMMENT: Ray Pojman read a statement into the record regarding
his request for an investigation against Commissioner Dorothea Farris and Dale
Will, Director of Pitkin County Open Space and Trails with regard to the Crystal
River Caucus and the Property Owners' Association of the Crystal River Country
Estates. Said statement can be located at the end of today's meeting packet.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS:
Commissioner Kay-Clapper asked everyone to enjoy the upcoming X-Games
and the art display at the bottom of Little Nell.
Commissioner Richards also addressed the X-Games reminding everyone to use
RFTA as there is no parking at Buttermilk. She also thanked the voters who put
her in this County Commissioner seat.
Commissioner Hatfield encouraged everyone to attend the Entrance to Aspen
public meeting on January 31, 2007. He also stated that he and Commissioner
Farris have started attending the Colorado Counties, Inc. (CCI) meetings in
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Denver twice a month representing the County relative to public lands, general
government, transportation, agriculture, and land use issues.
Commissioner Farris said that one of the topics of the Crystal Valley Caucus
meeting (which has been cancelled) was to be a wildlife report. The report,
however, has not been released and is not ready for release. She said it is hard
to review a study for a meeting if you don't have access to the study. She also
made some comments about the trail up the Crystal and some history that has
not been covered in some of the newspapers.
Chairman Owsley commented on the unexpected public comment given by Mr.
Pojman by saying that this is what living in a free society is all about. He said
that the facts are that newspapers have the right to be wrong, the
Commissioners have the right to not be entirely on point, and the public has the
right to be not quite right or right and those are the landscape of a free society.
CONSENT ACTIONS:
MINUTES OF BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER WORK SESSION
MEETINGS OF DECEMBER 05,2006. DECEMBER 12. 2006 AND DECEMBER
19.2006 AND REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF JANUARY 10, 2007-
MOTION TO APPROVE
STAFF: L YNDEE R. DEAN, CLERK TO THE BOARD
Commissioner Farris moved to approve the minutes as presented.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper seconded the motion. Motion passed 4 to 0
with Commissioner Richards abstaining as she was not in attendance for
the 2007 meeting and not yet a Commissioner for the 2006 meetings.
CONSENT PUBLIC HEARINGS:
READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE
2007-2008 COMMUNITY SERVICE BLOCK GRANT APPLICATION - MOTION
TO APPROVE
STAFF: SUSAN BERDAHL AND NAN SUNDEEN - HEALTH & HUMAN
SERVICES
Commissioner Hatfield moved that the Board of County Commissioners
convene as the Board of Health. Commissioner Richards seconded the
motion. Motion passed 5 to O.
Chairman Owsley opened the hearing to public comment. There being
none he closed the public hearing and brought the matter back to the
board.
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Commissioner Hatfield moved to approve the Resolution approving the
2007-2008 Community Service Block Grant application. Commissioner
Kay-Clapper seconded the motion.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper commended the involvement that The Right Door
(Brad Osborn) has taken in the community in the last couple of years.
Chairman Owsley called the question. Motion to approve passed 5 to o.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper moved to adjourn as the Board of Health and
reconvene the regular meeting as the Board of County Commissioners.
Commissioner Hatfield seconded the motion. Motion passed 5 to o.
SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON RESOLUTION AMENDING
THE 2007 BUDGET ADOPTION AND APPROPRIATION FOR THE GENERAL
FUND FOR PITKIN COUNTY. COLORADO - MOTION TO APPROVE
STAFF: DEBE NELSON. DIRECTOR OF FINANCE
THIRD READING AND PUBLIC HEARING ON RESOLUTION PROVIDING
SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS TO THE 2006 BUDGET - MOTION TO
APPROVE
STAFF: DEBE NELSON, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE
Chairman Owsley opened the hearing to public comment on these two
Resolutions. There being none, he closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Farris moved to approve both Resolutions. Commissioner
Kay-Clapper seconded the motion. Motion passed 5 to O.
LAND USE CONSENT PUBLIC HEARINGS:
LAZY GLEN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION MAJOR PLAT AMENDMENT.
SITE SELECTION FOR AN ACTIVITY OF LOCAL/STATE INTEREST. 1041
HAZARD REVIEW - MOTION TO CONTINUE INDEFINITELY AT THE
REQUEST OF APPLICANT
STAFF: MIKE KRAEMER. PLANNER
9425 REAL ESTATE LLC (POLSKY) APPEAL OF HEARING OFFICER
DECISION - MOTION TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 28.2007 AT THE
REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT
STAFF: EZRA LOUTHIS. COUNTY PLANNER
Chairman Owsley opened the hearing to public comment. There being
none, he closed the public hearing.
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Commissioner Hatfield moved to continue the Lazy Glen Homeowners
Association Major Plat Amendment, Site Selection for an Activity of
Local/State Interest, 1041 Hazard Review indefinitely at the request of the
applicant and continue the 9425 Real Estate LLC (Polsky) appeal of Hearing
Officer decision to February 28, 2007 at the request of the applicant.
Commissioner Farris seconded the motion. Motion passed 5 to O.
Commissioner Hatfield asked why the indefinite continuation for the Lazy Glen
application?
Lance Clarke, Assistant Director of Community Development, explained the
indefinite continuation of the Lazy Glen Homeowners application. He said that
the primary issues that the board asked the applicant to revisit were the fire
issues and to get with the Basalt Fire Department regarding the hydrants and the
pond. The applicants do indeed have some issues and do not want to come
back before the board until they have been resolved.
LAND USE ACTIONS:
BENSON 1041 HAZARD REVIEW AND SPECIAL REVIEW FOR A CDU-
TAKINGS DETERMINATION - MOTION TO CONTINUE TO A DATE NOT YET
DETERMINED
STAFF: MIKE KRAEMER, COUNTY PLANNER
. Applicants:
Jim and Martha Benson
· Applicant's Representative:
Glenn Horn
· Summary Of Request: The applicant requested a hearing as a
result of the Hearing Officer's denial of the Benson 1041 Hazard Review to
establish a building envelope to develop a single family residence and Special
Review for a CDU on November 21,2006. The applicant contends that the
denial leaves the property without a reasonable economic use. The majority of
the building envelope, as well as the entire lot, contains slopes in excess of 30%.
However, there is an area on the site that contains slopes less than 45% where a
residence could possibly be constructed. Staff recommended that the Hearing
Officer approve this location as an appropriate site for the residence. The
applicant was unwilling to accept this proposal to alter the building envelope
resulting in denial of the application. The parcel is also subject to ridgeline
review. It is unknown at this time if the future residence will obstruct a ridgeline.
Mike Kraemer proceeded with his presentation as outlined in his memorandum to
the board.
Commissioner Farris asked what the size is of the area - -
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Mr. Horn responded by saying that the buildable area within the setbacks is
between 1500 and 2000 square feet. He defined buildable area, at the request
of Commissioner Hatfield, as the area that is between 30 and 45, the area
outside the setbacks and then he took in to consideration the need for a septic
system and holding tank and toe setbacks that are required from the holding tank
and the drain field from the house. And, when you calculate all that, he
concluded, you end up with approximately 1500-2000 square feet of area in
which you could place a house.
Commissioner Richards asked for further clarification on that being the footprint
size and so a two-story structure could be between 3000 and 4000 square feet
which would be the recommended allowed use in that area.
Mr. Horn said that is correct. He said that would be the footprint of the potential
home.
Mr. Clarke added that a single family home is the primary allowed use in that
area.
Mr. Horn gave his short presentation. He said that he was of the understanding
that the purpose of today's meeting was to determine whether or not the actions
of the Hearing Officer would represent a taking and that there would be no
permitted development on the site. Then there would be a taking remediation
hearing where they would discuss what would be the appropriate level and
location of development on this site.
He said that they would ask that the board find that there has been a taking
given the denial by the Hearing Officer and that the board schedule a taking
remediation hearing. And, that at that hearing the board consider the applicants'
proposal for what should be developed on that site and also the
recommendations of staff as to what should be developed there. They would
then be prepared to discuss the merits of the site in terms of slopes, septic
system, neighbor comments, Brush Creek Homeowners comments and
comments from the fire department and also take into consideration physical
things such as the accessibility of the building to the road.
Mr. Horn said that he would be happy to comment on questions from the board
now, but he thinks the appropriate time would be at the remediation hearing not
at the hearing today.
Commissioner Richards asked Mr. Horn why the board should find a taking when
there has been an identified building site where a structure could be built?
Mr. Horn responded by saying that they were prepared to make a presentation to
the Hearing Officer along the lines of his comments above and that the site
recommended by staff was unacceptable to the applicant. He said that the
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Hearing Officer stated that it was his view that if the recommendations of staff
were not acceptable and it wasn't a proposal that the applicant had then he
would not consider it at that time and would just deny the application. Mr. Horn
said they felt that if the application was denied then there was no reasonable
economic use of the land. So, they've never made a presentation of the facts
that he just summarized and would like to make to the BOCC.
Commissioner Richards asked staff if they felt that this is a reasonable building
envelope and that a single-family home could be accomplished in the area
pointed out to the applicant.
Mr. Kraemer said that if she is talking about the one that staff proposed the
answer is yes, although he doesn't know how large a house.
Commissioner Hatfield asked for some feedback on the ridgeline issue.
Mr. Kraemer said that in the pre-app meeting with Alice Davis of DavislHorn, the
applicants' representatives, ridgeline review wasn't requested at this time.
Therefore, a building envelope can't be identified, however prior to submitting for
a building permit ridgeline review would have to be conducted.
Mr. Horn said that they have erected story poles on the site that are there now.
They will evaluate what the effects are, if any, on the ridgeline and then invite
County staff to come and look at them so they will have that missing piece of
information with respect to siting this house.
One thing that Mr. Horn wanted to mention was that they understand that the
board could concur with the staff with the footprint that they've identified through
the process of analysis that would be the resulting footprint if they avoided slopes
that are greater than 30% but less than 45%. He said that they want to be able
to present their reasons why that would be unacceptable in writing and also
verbally at the hearing.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper said that she thought that this wasn't a taking just
because the applicant doesn't agree with where the building envelope should be.
If there's an area within the property that can accommodate development, then
it's not a taking. She doesn't understand why this is a taking.
Lance Clarke explained further. He said that was staff's position in
recommending a building envelope that they felt was buildable and useable for
some undetermined size of house. The Hearing Officer determined that he did
not have the authority to unilaterally take the building envelope as presented by
staff and that his only option was to approve or deny the envelope proposed by
the applicant. And, since it did included significant amounts of slopes greater
than 45% he was bound to deny it.
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Mr. Horn said that they did not have a chance at the Hearing Officer's meeting to
present their reasons why it was not buildable to build where staff proposed.
Commissioner Hatfield wanted to disclose, just for the sake of being open, his
decades-long friendship with Jim and Martha Benson, the applicants. He added
that there is, however, no conflict of interest relationship.
Commissioner Hatfield was interesting in having an Executive Session.
Commissioner Farris moved to enter Executive Session at 12:49 PM.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper seconded the motion. Motion passed 5 to O.
Upon returning to the meeting room, Commissioner Farris moved to
adjourn from Executive Session and reconvene their regular meeting.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper seconded the motion. Motion passed 5 to O.
Commissioner Farris said that the question before the board is whether or not
there has been a taking. As we review this, she said, in her mind there are
options available that would indicate the value of that property has not been
taken away.
Therefore, Commissioner Farris moved to deny that a taking has occurred.
Commissioner Kay-Clapper seconded the motion.
NOTE: THIS MOTION WAS TABLED TO A MEETING DATE NOT YET
DETERMINED DUE TO A MOTION TO CONTINUE MADE BY
COMMISSIONER HATFIELD LATER IN THIS MEETING.
Commissioner Richards wanted to state for the record that she received a
telephone call from Grafton Smith with a message to call him back. She did
return the call before she read the packet and realized that he was somehow
involved in this application but they did not speak or connect.
Secondly, Commissioner Richards wanted to put on the record that staff has
testified that there is a reasonable, recommended building envelope on this lot
and because of that she would concur with Commissioner Farris' comments.
Mr. Horn said that based upon the determination there is no use of the property.
The only way to determine if there was use of the property would be if there were
a hearing in front of either the Hearing Officer or the BOCC about whether or not
the area in which the staff says there could be development could be developed.
He added that staff has not done any analysis other than slope as to whether or
not that site can be developed.
He stated that if the board is going to take the action of denying a taking, he
wants them to consider where the applicant goes next and also he would like
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them to consider continuing their actions so that the applicant has a chance to
get legal counsel.
Commissioner Hatfield asked Mr. Horn why he didn't ask for a continuation
during the Hearing Officer review after hearing staff's presentation.
Mr. Horn answered by saying that the Hearing Officer said he couldn't consider
any presentation about development on slopes over 45%.
Further discussion ensued on process and procedure.
Based upon a clarification question from Commissioner Hatfield, Mr. Ely said that
the taking determination process does not allow for an amendment to an original
application. What the board is doing is evaluating the action of the Hearing
Officer not as to whether or not the Hearing Officer was inappropriate in his
finding or not, but whether or not the action as required by the language of the
Code precipitated a taking of the property and the owners' property rights. If
continued and the board explores with the applicants and staff in greater detail
the potential for development on the site as a whole and the board then
determines there has been a taking, the board can then address the issue of
remediation. If the board then, at the conclusion of that process, determines that
a taking has not occurred then the applicant would be in the same position they
would be today if that determination were made and that would be to go back to
the Hearing Officer with a renewed application.
Commissioner Hatfield moved to continue this item and bring it back to the
BOCC. Commissioner Richards seconded the motion.
NOTE: PRIOR MOTION TO DENY THE TAKING IS TABLED TO A
CONTINUED MEETING DATE NOT YET DETERMINED.
Lance Clarke reminded the board that there is a requirement in the Code
that the board make a finding on a taking within 15 days. If there is a
continuance, he asked if the applicants would waive that requirement.
Glenn Horn responded on behalf of the applicants by saying "we would
waive that". He also stated that the Benson's will be out of town several
times in the next few months. He therefore asked that any continuance be
set to a meeting date when the Bensons will be able to attend.
Commissioner Hatfield said that if the continuation motion passes, he wants to
make sure that staff has the ability to investigate the whole property to see if a
taking has occurred therefore we would still be under the auspices of a taking
request.
It was clarified that both staff and applicant will work on this.
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Mr. Horn said that what they will do is analyze development of the site in the area
proposed by staff and demonstrate to the board why that is not possible. And,
they will certainly share that with Lance Clarke and Mike Kraemer and also they
will be doing story poles so that they have complete information at the continued
hearing.
Chairman Owsley called the motion to continue to a date not yet
determined. Motion passed 3 to 2 with Commissioners Owsley, Hatfield
and Richards voting yea and Commissioners Farris and Kay-Clapper voting
nay.
BOCC OPEN DISCUSSION:
The board had open discussions with County Manager, Hilary Fletcher.
ADJOURNMENT:
Commissioner Kay-Clapper moved to adjourn the meeting at 1 :19 PM.
Commissioner Hatfield seconded the motion. Motion passed 5 to O.
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Respectfully submitted,
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Lynde R. Dean
, Clerk 0 he Board of County Commissioners
Jea'he e Jones
Cler to the Board of C nty Commissioners
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Michael M. wsley
Chairman of the Board of County Commissioners
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John Ely
County Attorney
The above signed attorney, representing the Board and being present at the
executive session, attests that the subject of the unrecorded portions of the
session constituted confidential attorney-client communication.
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