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BOARD OF ADJUSTPMEIVT
October 27, 1981
r.Iembers Present: Clark Smyth, ticting Chairman
Dottie Fox
Paul Krausch
Joe Zanin
Associates: I{andi Shaffran
Bill Lukes
Robert Throm
Evan Gull
Clark Smyth called the meeting to order. He asked if there
was any discussion regarding the last meeting, Kandi
Shaffran corrected the spelling of Robin P.4olny on the
minutes. Paul Krausch motioned to approve the minutes. Bill
Lukes second the motion.
Clark Smyth asked the Board if they had any questions regarding
the resolution on the Grusin property. There were none.
Evan Gull was welcomed to the Board as an associate member,
SVi 1 liam /Gale Borten ?Laroon Creek Rd 81-~41
requesting a 50` frontyard setback variance for addition of
a storage space, Stan ::Iathis cvas there to represent the Bur'ton_'s
On September 15, a variance was granted for construction o.f
the house but at that time the garage was left off, Stan
Mathis stated that the location of the accesory building was
decided upon due to the bad contour problems, mainly a cliff
next to the creek, The shed would be necessary for storage of
construction equipment and a recreational vehicle, Along the
highway is a 6 to 7 foot berm that blocks all view of the
proposed shed. The building size will be 1G' wide and 40' long,
Robert Throm wanted to know why this wasn't requested at the
previous meeting, Stan '1lathis explained that it was because
the garage was not on the site plan at the time due to human
error, There is also another garage that stores the cars only,
There will be trees planted on the berm, Bill Lukes questioned
if this was properly advertised, Stan "Mathis stated that the
sign was posted and the neighbors had been notified and there
were no objections, Dottie Fox stated that it was the only
logical area to place the garage, Robert Throm asked about
the two accesses on Maroon Creek Rd, Stan 'Mathis stated the
Burton's would like to pull in one way and pull out the other
way, The second access is considered to be a limited access.
Stan ',fathis corrected the size of the huildin~ to be 20'
wide, 50' long and 17' high, This was determined to be under
the height limit - measured to the center line of the gable
and another five feet is allowed above that, Paul ?{rausch
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questioned as to whether an out building with no living space
is still prohibited from being constructed over a leach field.
Stan P~athis did not believe that a foundation could be built
over one due to the fact that service might become necessary.
Dottie Fox stated that she did not like the other access due
to the fact that the berms created site difficulty.
Bill Lakes questioned as to whether the Board had jurisdiction
over the accesses of a property, Dottie Fox did not feel that
they did but they could make suggestions. Stan Mathis suggested
that the Board could grant the variance with the stipulation
that the Highway Department be notified and the Burton's would
comply with whatever objections the Highway Departm~:nt might
have.
Dottie Fox motioned that .t he variance be granted for 50 feet
frontyard setback but would like to flag it for the Building
Department that the Board does not like the two accesses and
feels that the County Engineer should take a look at it, Bill
Lakes second the motion. All in favor, motion passed,
Red Mountain Ranch Homeowners Association 81-42
requesting a variance of height and size to erect a sign at
each entrance. No one was present for the Association and the
case was tabled.
Sam & Paula Douglas, Lot 4, Block 4, Knollwood S/D 81-43
requesting a 75' frontyard setback variance to construct a
carport. Ideter Blaul was there to represent the Douglas's.
The setbacks make it impossible to build the carport near the
building site. There had been a site originally approved
during construction of the house by the previous owner, however,'
it was never acted upon. The site that the present owner is
requesting will allow the roof line to be 1~ inches below the
highway and would allow landscaping along with the natural
landscaping already there.
Paul Krausch wanted to know if the original location was approved
by the Board. It was agreed that it had been due to topographi-
cal hardship. Kandi Shaffran made a site inspection and felt
the structure would be unnoticable. Bill Lukes wanted to
know if any landscape would be removed to accomplish the
proposed turnaround for the garage. 14eter Blaul used photo-
graphsto show the Board the proposed location and the trees
that would be affected. This site would take virtually no
undiseased trees from the area. Dottie Fox wanted to know
what hardship was involved. It was decided that a topographi-
cal hardship was involved due to a ditch on the property.
Clark Smyth wanted to know how far the garage would be from
the home. It was decided that it was 25 feet from the house,
Paul Krausch motioned that the variance previously granted
by the Board for constructiou of s;arage be changed and relocated
as requested. Kandi Shaffran second the motion, Clarl: Smyth
asked Paul if he wanted to include topographical hardshi.n in
the motion, Paul said the motion was on the same basis as
the original variance granted. Dottie Fax felt that it might
be better to grant a new variance altol;ether Clark Smyth
was concerned because the only topographical hardship was
the ditch and a determination needed to he made as to why it
is being moved closer to the highway than originally requested.
Paul felt that the reasoning was to lessen the impact on the
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vegetation and to lessen the visual impact .from the highway,
Paul Krausch restated his motion to grant the variance as
requested based on topographical hardship effecting siting of
the garage and access to the Garage and also to minimize the
impact on the vegetation on the property, Kandy Shaffran
second the motion. All in favor, Motion passed,
Brown Rainwater, 1740 Snowmass Creek Rd. 81-44
requesting a 72' frontyard setback variance for an addition to
present residence. Bob Edmonson, along with Charlie Cummiff,
arch. and Steve Orstad, were there to represent Mr. Rainwater.
He explained that Mr, Rainwater wanted to add a mechanical
room because at this time all mechanical equipment is under-
ground and the only access to this area is through a crawl space,
Kandi wanted to know how high the addition would be. Bob
answered that it would be 12 feet high and slope to 8 feet.
The property was downzoned in 1979 from AF-2 to AF-1, The Board
wanted to know if a variance had been granted regarding this
property before. Bob replied that there had been no variance
for this particular owner, however, the previous owner had been
given a variance. The structure could not be placed around
the corner of the building due to an existing sewage system,
Also power and sewer system lines enter the house at that
corner.
Bob stated that what the owner wanted was to upgrade the
property and move all the mechanical equipment out for easy
service. The structure is designed so that all equipment
will fit in.
Paul Krausch questioned the previous variance and whether it
had any stipulations involved. The Board thought the previous
owner was requested to cut off the entrance of the driveway
that is closest to the intersect. Bob Edmonson stated that
Air. Brown would have no objections if the Board's determination
including blocking off the other entrance, Paul was troubled
that the determination had not been enforced. Bob restated
that Mr. Brown was willing to comply with cutting off that
access.
Robert Throm questioned as to why it could not be placed on
the other side of the house. Bob replied that corner would be the
kitchen and the views would be blocked, Kandi wanted to know
what would be done with the crawl space after everything was
removed. Bob replied that nothing would be put there but
it would be insulated. He also stated that the ground was
wet there.
Robert Throm wanted to know if it was feasible to store the
equipment in the attic space. Bob Edmundson stated that it
was not. Robert then wanted to know what the hardship was.
Charlie stated that it was hard to get service people to come
work on the equipment due to the present location of the equip-
ment. Clark Smyth stated that that area appears to be the most
logical. However, the Board is concerned "with the previously
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set condition that was never met. Robert Throm felt that
had no bearing on this case at all, It was 'the Board's
inability to enforce the Board's ruling, Clark stated that
even though it was not the same owner, it was the same
piece of property. Robert Throm suggested that approval of
this variance could be made subject to closing off
the other access, Paul Krausch was still worried about the
enforcement of such a condition, Paul requested that research
be done on the situation to see if a condition had been set and
have someone follow up ou it,
Robert Throm moved that the variance be granted; subject to the
Building Department enforcing the previous variance, on the
ground that the property has been downzoned and that there
are topographical considerations in terms of narrowness of
the lot which preclude to building the proposed structure any-
' where else. Dottie Fox second the motion,
All in favor, 1lotion passed,
Martin Horowitz,__Block 7, Lot 8' Brush Creek S/p 81-45
requesting a 25' frontyard setback variance and a 8' height
variance for construction of a garage. Martin Horowitz was
there to represent himself, He explained, by using an
updated map showing the topography where the present house
sits. The first issue is the construction of a hot tub.
I3e wants to place the hot tub on the back side of the house,
It would not be visible from the road, Further over it gets
very steep. For this construction he needs a 15~ setback,
The second request was regarding the height on the construction
of the garage, He showed the Board where he would like the site
to be, There will be no request for a pump house since he has
an alternate plan for that.
The property has been zoned AF-l, He needs a 25 foot setback
variance for the Garage and an 8 foot height variance. The
height variance is necessary for a caretaker unit on top of
the garage. The height on the garage will not restrict any
of the neighbors views. Clark Smyth questioned if caretakers
units had to be attached to the house,
Robert Throm stated that what !ir. Horowizt requested in writing
is not what he wants to do, Dottie Fox questioned if the
Building Department was aware that Tor, Horowitz wanted a•caretaker
unit above the garage. Paul I.rausch stated that for the
applicants best interest he should spend more time with Patsy
Newbury of the Building Department to clarify what is needed.
He felt at this time the Board could not grant the requested
variances,
Mr. Horowitz stated that he needed these variances so that
he could proceed with his plans as to location and height,
Dottie stated that the caretaker unit in a detached unit was
a situation that the Board could not deal with,
The Board decided that the hot tub could be dealt with. Dottie
Fox questioned the hardship regarding this request. "Iartin stated
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that it was the exceptional topographical conditions,
Dottie Fox asked if there were any other location the tub could.
be located, The other location to place it would be behind
the house, but due to the steep grade during the winter there
would be no access to it. Another possible location would
need a variance and would be in front a solar heat collector
wall. If place on north side of house it would be in the
shade.
Kandi Shaffran abstained due to friendship of the applicant.
However, she is familiour with the lot and felt that site
~~~as the only place that the tub could go, Dottie motioned
to approve the variance for the hot tub due to topographical
hardship, She stated that the other two requests should be
tabled for more information, Joe Zanin second the motion,
Clark Smyth called for a vote. Five were in favor, one
opposed. .vlotion carried,
The Board suggested to ?.4r. Horowitz that after he discusses
the caretakers unit with Patsy Newbury, the Board would
consider a special meeting to act upon the matter.
Columbine Storage Center, Ine,' 0161 Pacific•Ave 81-46
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reques ing a variance for 3484 square feet over the allowed
floor area ratio Clark Smyth abstained due to the fact that
he is part of the managing company of the Airport Business
Center. Robert Throm abstained also due to the fact he
is partial owner of Colur.~bine Storage,
Marty Kahn was there to represent the Columbine'Storage Center.
Bill Ortman and John Gates were there also to answer any
questions the Board might have Basically the applicant is
requesting a variance from the F,A.R, regulations, when the
building was originally conceived in 1972 it was designed to
be built in two phases. The first phase is existing, The
theory was because it was a storage area and should be built
when the additional area is necessary, At this time the
additional area i_s necessary, However the area has been down-
zoned. This has created the hardship, 1larty Kahn produced
a drawing for the Board to see what the additional space would
~', look like.
The amount of additional F,A.R, allowed is roughly 1200 sq ft
and Columbine wants to build an additional 4500 sq ft. Columbine
felt that 1200 sq ft would not help the business needs, Bill
Lulces questioned if the additional square footage would effect
required parking spaces. Clark informed the Board that an
amendment had been passed due to Obermeyer that under special.
review of the County Commissioners they will allow warehouses
to have one per 1000 sq ft. Bill Ortman stated that Columbine
would then qualify with enough parkinm. Dottie Fox wanted to
know if John ?,IcBride had any comments regarding this expansion.
Clark Stated that the management's feeling was that there would
be no objection if the present landscaping was kept and additional
landscaping created.
Faul Krausch was troubled because only the property owners were
notified and not the adjoining tenants, Bill Lukes was concerned
about the development not being consistent with the goals of
the Airport Business Center due to the high density.
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Dwight Schellmun was there to represent Cooley Investment, which
is a general partner in Aspen Self Storage. They would like
t some sort of statement from the Board upon denial' stating their
feeling about additional storage space in the Aspen area. Also,
if the Board grants the variance, Aspen Storage would be very
interested in the reasons for granting it.
' h4arty Kahn argued that the hardship was that the building was
designed before the Commissioners set the ,36 F.A,R, and this
legislation makes it impossible to continue with the next phase
of expanstion. idarty pointed out to the Board the need in the
' community for the addition to self storage.
Paul Krausch questioned if the eign had been posted. ",4arty replied
that it had, Paul Krausch then wanted to know if any of the tenants
had objected, 5larty replied that they had not,
Bill Lukes agreed with the need for self storage, however, he
feels the application basically states the applicant wants the
variance because he needs the variance. He could see no real
hardship.
Evan Gull did not feel that downzoning had created a hardship. He
stated that the County Commissioners chose to legislate the F.A,R,
for this property for this type .of usage and he felt that the
commissioners should make this decision, not the Board. He stated
that the Board had r_o grounds to approve this variance,
Robert Throm felt that there was a hardship since the property
had been downzoned since the original design for the company had
been conceived.
il4arty Kahn pointed out to the Board that this addition had positive
impacts on the community, Paul Krausch felt that the Board was
not qualified to make the judgement as to the need for storage in
this community,
~ Dottie Fox was concerned about the amount that the applicant was
requesting, She questioned Clark Smyth about whether this request
was within the covenance of the Airport Business Center. Clark
stated that the Airport Business Center would not allow a continual
road cut. The main concern with the ABC management was the land-
~ scaping. Dottie wanted to know if 16 parking spaces would allow
enough landscaping, Clark was not sure, but the plat did not show
enough.
Steve Schubert was there as a general partner of Aspen Self Storage.
He stated that he was interested in the logic used in granting this
variance because they will need more square footage in the future.
Evan Gnllrestated that the law has defined the F,A,R, as a reasonable
use for the subject property and the issue was not within the scope
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It was discovered that the land had been purchased after the downzoning
had occured. Paul Krausch then stated that there was no hardship
because the owners knew when the purchase was made what the F,A.R,
was.
Clark Smyth stated to 'vlarty Kahn that Columbine might not need
the full amount they were asking for because part of the building
is built into a hillside and could be considered basement area.
Basement areas are excluded from F.A,R, Bill Lukes suggested that
the applicant consider tabling this issue until they have the
floor area re-calculated by the Building Department., A survey was
taken of the members to see if having less of a request would
make a difference to them. Dottie Fox stated that it would Evan
Gull stated that it would not, Bill Lukes stated that it would
not. Kandi Shaffran stated that it would not. Bill Lukes stated
that if it was tabled he would be interested in hearing some comments
from John McBride regarding the impacts on the development of the
Airport Business Center.
Evan Gull motioned to deny the variance request. Dottie Fox
second the motion. All in favor - Dottie Fox, Paul Krausch, Evan
Gull. All opposed - Bill Lukes Joe Zan in, Clark stated that
4 positive votes were needed, therefore the motion did not pass.
Dottie Fox motioned that the issue be tabled until the next meeting
so that further information could be brought to the Board. Bill
Lukes second the motion. A1]. in favor - Dottie Fox, Joe Zanin,
Bill Lukes, Kandi Shaffran, Opposed - Evan Gull, Paul Krausch.
Motion passed.
Jimmy Buffett, Old Snowmass Creek 81-47
requesting a 30' f.rontyard setback variance to construct a studio,
Tom Vermilyea was there to represent Jimmy Buffet. IIe explained
that Buffet wanted to build a summer studio away from the house.
He pointed out to the members the. existing house and garage on
the property. He discovered when applying for the building permit
that there was a 100 foot setback so he needs a variance of 30 feet
for this proposed building,
Tom pointed out to the members where theroad ran and where the main
access was to the house. This access is on an easement and has
a footbridge that goes to the house. The other access goes directly
to the house. This is the access that the Building Department uses
to define the frontyard line,
Tom stated that the structure would not be visible in the summer and
in the winter it would be barely visible, This was the only real
buildable spot on the property in Tom's opinion. There is a 45
degree steepness that goes into a hillside at one point and on
another side there is a sewage system. Bill Lukes stated that he
was not satisfied with the designated front yard line,
Dottie Fox motioned to approve the variance for a 30' setback based
upon topographical hardship. Paul Krausch disagreed stating there
was building area on the lot that would not need a variance.
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{ Bill Lukes disagreed with the description of.~a frontyard when it
faced another piece of property and not the road, Clark Smyth
t did not feel there was a real hardship but the Board could
disagree with the Building Department's decision as to what the
frontyard is.
Dottie Fox withdrew her motion and motioned that the Board determine
that the Building Department's designation of the frontyard is
incorrect and the access off of Snowmass Creek Road is the frontyard
and therefore a variance is not necessary, Bill Lukes second
the motion,
Majority in favor, one opposed. ?~4otion carried.
The meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted:
Secretary
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